[TechPowerUp] Sapphire and AsRock reveal their Radeon VII models - Page 3 - Overclock.net - An Overclocking Community

Forum Jump: 

[TechPowerUp] Sapphire and AsRock reveal their Radeon VII models

Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #21 of 86 (permalink) Old 01-27-2019, 12:46 PM - Thread Starter
Tetrapyloctomist
Aenra has a spectacular aura about Aenra has a spectacular aura about Aenra has a spectacular aura about Aenra has a spectacular aura about Aenra has a spectacular aura about Aenra has a spectacular aura about Aenra has a spectacular aura about Aenra has a spectacular aura about Aenra has a spectacular aura about Aenra has a spectacular aura about Aenra has a spectacular aura about
 
Aenra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 1,230
Quote: Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post
Agree with everything you said. I too am interested in the Radeon VII (or at least I will be later this year when I'm planning my new build) and I also agree that no dual-BIOS is a very bad move by AMD.
That.. that makes two of us!
It's gonna sell like ice cream on a hot summer day, i can feel it!
(irony aside, sure hope it does though, just for the message)

Quote: Originally Posted by Blameless View Post
Until Maxwell, essentially every consumer GPU was a re-purposed professional part
Yeap ^^
And there was nothing wrong with that, not per se. It's (as always) a matter of implementation -or in this case, more like appropriation- and marketing; be it the accurate or the misleading kind.

Quote: Originally Posted by white owl View Post
Don't you love that?
Ooh, yeah..
It's why i often tend to express myself in a way that's a bit .. jarring for most here. This is a forum with a lot of knowledgeable people. I would really want this to reflect itself a lot more than it currently does.
Have said it before, boys and their toys; you earned it, they taxed you for it (and more than once, lol), go nuts and buy whatever you like with it, am with you. I've only an issue when you (figuratively) are not only misinformed, but in fact are helping to further spread whatever biased, inaccurate or ludicrous/unreasonable notion you might be entertaining.
Or as often the case here, seeing such comments 'going by'.. unaddressed as it were.

Pride, honour and purity.
Aenra is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #22 of 86 (permalink) Old 01-27-2019, 06:54 PM
MegaTechPC
Majin SSJ Eric has a spectacular aura about Majin SSJ Eric has a spectacular aura about Majin SSJ Eric has a spectacular aura about Majin SSJ Eric has a spectacular aura about Majin SSJ Eric has a spectacular aura about Majin SSJ Eric has a spectacular aura about Majin SSJ Eric has a spectacular aura about Majin SSJ Eric has a spectacular aura about
 
Majin SSJ Eric's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Saint Simons Island, GA
Posts: 19,081
Quote: Originally Posted by Blameless View Post
Until Maxwell, essentially every consumer GPU was a re-purposed professional part.



Just use a GPU/CPU block and retain the reference VRM cooling.
For me aesthetics are just as important as performance unfortunately. I need full-cover blocks for whatever build I am planning.


3DMark11 - P25138
3DMark Firestrike - P20998

Intel Core i7 4930K @ 4.7GHz | Asus Rampage IV Extreme | 2 x EVGA GTX Titan SC (1254MHz) | 16GB Patriot Viper Extreme DDR3 2133MHz (4 x 4GB) | Corsair AX1200 | Silverstone Temjin TJ11 | Corsair Force 3 240GB (System) | 2 x Intel 320 160GB SSD (Dedicated Gaming Drives) | Hitachi Deskstar 1TB (Data) | MS Windows 10 Pro | EK Supreme HF/FC-Titan/Rampage IV Extreme blocks | Hardware Labs GTX 560/240 rads | Alphacool VPP-655 D5 pump | Bitspower mod kit/pump top/fittings/120mm res


Majin SSJ Eric is offline  
post #23 of 86 (permalink) Old 01-27-2019, 06:58 PM
1689 Federalist
lightsout is an unknown quantity at this point lightsout is an unknown quantity at this point lightsout is an unknown quantity at this point
 
lightsout's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Southern Oregon
Posts: 11,116
If the memory is really costing half the price on these why use it? Seems like it's driving up cost way too much.

Black Box
(11 items)
CPU
R5 2600X
Motherboard
Asus Strix B450-I
GPU
EVGA GTX 1080ti FTW3
RAM
GSkill 16gb 3200c14 Flare
Hard Drive
500gb SSD
Power Supply
EVGA G1+ 850
Cooling
Macho Rev B
Case
NZXT H200 Black
Monitor
LG 32GK650F-B 1440p 144hz
Mouse
Sensei Raw
Audio
Sony Core Bookshelves
▲ hide details ▲


lightsout is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #24 of 86 (permalink) Old 01-27-2019, 07:05 PM
PC Evangelist
ZealotKi11er has a spectacular aura about ZealotKi11er has a spectacular aura about ZealotKi11er has a spectacular aura about ZealotKi11er has a spectacular aura about ZealotKi11er has a spectacular aura about ZealotKi11er has a spectacular aura about ZealotKi11er has a spectacular aura about ZealotKi11er has a spectacular aura about ZealotKi11er has a spectacular aura about ZealotKi11er has a spectacular aura about ZealotKi11er has a spectacular aura about
 
ZealotKi11er's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Toronto, CA
Posts: 45,287
Quote: Originally Posted by lightsout View Post
If the memory is really costing half the price on these why use it? Seems like it's driving up cost way too much.
Nvidia sells 12GB HMB2 for $3000. HMB2 is too expensive for what it offers. GDDR5 has been out since 2008. It took Nvidia/AMD 10 years. If G7 does not come out then eventually all will be forced to use HBM.

Ishimura
(13 items)
Yamato
(10 items)
CPU
Intel Core i7-3770K @ 4.8GHz
Motherboard
ASRock Z77E-ITX
GPU
AMD Radeon Vega Frontier Edition
RAM
AVEXIR Blitz 1.1 16GB DDR3-2400MHz CL10
Hard Drive
SanDisk Ultra II 960GB
Hard Drive
Toshiba X300 5TB
Power Supply
EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G3
Cooling
Corsair H100i GTX
Case
Fractal Design Define Nano S
Operating System
Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64 Bit
Monitor
LG OLED55C7P
Keyboard
Cooler Master MasterKeys MK750
Mouse
Finalmouse Air58 Ninja
CPU
Intel Core i7-6700K @ 4.6GHz
Motherboard
ASUS Z170 Deluxe
GPU
EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Hybrid
RAM
Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB DDR4-3000 CL15
Hard Drive
Samsung SM961 512GB
Hard Drive
HGST DeskStar NAS 6TB
Power Supply
EVGA SuperNOVA 750 P2
Cooling
Cooler Master Nepton 280L
Case
Fractal Design Meshify C TG
Operating System
Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64 Bit
▲ hide details ▲


ZealotKi11er is offline  
post #25 of 86 (permalink) Old 01-27-2019, 07:15 PM
New to Overclock.net
white owl has a spectacular aura about white owl has a spectacular aura about white owl has a spectacular aura about white owl has a spectacular aura about white owl has a spectacular aura about white owl has a spectacular aura about white owl has a spectacular aura about white owl has a spectacular aura about white owl has a spectacular aura about white owl has a spectacular aura about white owl has a spectacular aura about
 
white owl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: The land of Nod
Posts: 4,768
Quote: Originally Posted by lightsout View Post
If the memory is really costing half the price on these why use it? Seems like it's driving up cost way too much.
Retooling the dies and MC to work with HBM would be much more expensive than simply selling the GPUs as they were originally made.
Making nothing or loosing thousands is much cheaper than spending millions on a limited run stop gap GPU.
AMD has a GPU with real performance on the high end with 16gb of HBM and they're barely loosing anything. (if they're loosing anything).


Quote: Originally Posted by ZealotKi11er View Post
Nvidia sells 12GB HMB2 for $3000. HMB2 is too expensive for what it offers. GDDR5 has been out since 2008. It took Nvidia/AMD 10 years. If G7 does not come out then eventually all will be forced to use HBM.
If made on a larger scale the price of HBM probably wouldn't be as bad.

Quote: Originally Posted by SpeedyVT
If you're not doing extreme things to parts for the sake of extreme things regardless of the part you're not a real overclocker.
Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
The key is generally not which brands are good but which specific products are. Motherboards and GPUs are perfect examples of companies having everything from golden to garbage function/quality.
Hot n Bothered
(12 items)
CPU
4790k 4.7Ghz
Motherboard
Asus Sabertooth Z97 MkII 2
GPU
EVGA GTX 1080 SC
RAM
16gb G.Skill Sniper 2400Mhz
Hard Drive
2x Kingston v300 120gb RAID 0
Hard Drive
WD Blue
Power Supply
Seasonic 620w M12 II EVO
Cooling
Cooler Master 212 Evo
Case
Corsair 450D
Operating System
Windows 10
Monitor
Nixeus EDG27
Other
I have pretty lights.
▲ hide details ▲
white owl is online now  
post #26 of 86 (permalink) Old 01-27-2019, 09:27 PM
The Robot is an unknown quantity at this point The Robot is an unknown quantity at this point
 
The Robot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 2,110
I would've bought it right now if I needed a $700 GPU. It's not a failed product by any means. 8GB seems a little low considering PS5/XB2 will likely have 16GB combined memory. And finally, the atrocious blower is gone.

Main
(17 items)
Nintendo DS
(8 items)
CPU
6700K
Motherboard
Gigabyte Z170X-Gaming 3
GPU
MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X
RAM
G.Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 3000
Hard Drive
Samsung 850 Evo 500GB
Hard Drive
WD Blue WD30EZRZ 3TB
Power Supply
EVGA 650 G2
Cooling
Noctua NH-D15S
Cooling
Nanoxia Deep Silence 140mm
Cooling
Nanoxia Deep Silence 120mm
Case
Corsair 400Q
Operating System
Windows 10 Enterprise
Monitor
ViewSonic XG2703-GS 1440p
Keyboard
Leopold FC750 (MX Brown)
Mouse
Logitech Performance Mouse MX
Audio
Mayflower Objective2 + ODAC Rev. B Combo
Audio
Audio-Technica ATH-A990Z
CPU
ARM946E-S 67.028 MHz
CPU
ARM7TDMI 33.514 MHz
RAM
4 MB
Hard Drive
256 kB
Power Supply
850 mAh
Operating System
DS OS
Monitor
3" 256×192 18-bit
Monitor
3" 256×192 18-bit
▲ hide details ▲

Last edited by The Robot; 01-27-2019 at 11:42 PM.
The Robot is offline  
post #27 of 86 (permalink) Old 01-28-2019, 03:23 AM
New to Overclock.net
Liranan will become famous soon enough Liranan will become famous soon enough Liranan will become famous soon enough Liranan will become famous soon enough Liranan will become famous soon enough Liranan will become famous soon enough
 
Liranan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Soviet China... Oh wait..
Posts: 8,524
So AIB partners will also only sell reference models? If that cooler is good then it won't matter but if it's atrocious it will be problematic as most people won't get expensive waterblocks.

Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by faraz1729 go_quote.gif
Haha, Liranan, you creep.

Tacitus - The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws

Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realise we cannot eat money. - Cree Indian Proverb
Liranan is offline  
post #28 of 86 (permalink) Old 01-28-2019, 07:09 AM
OG AMD
Redwoodz will become famous soon enough Redwoodz will become famous soon enough Redwoodz will become famous soon enough Redwoodz will become famous soon enough Redwoodz will become famous soon enough Redwoodz will become famous soon enough
 
Redwoodz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Silicon Valley
Posts: 7,980
Quote: Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post
Sadly, the Radeon VII will be reference-only per its announcement at CES. An MSi Lightning version of this card would be killer, but I think AMD is going to be tightly controlling the supply and specs of this card since its really just a stopgap placeholder in their product lineup while they finish up Navi. I think it looks like a really nice product as-is (and 16GB of HBM2 is just dool-worthy regardless of how useful it actually is), it should compete well with the 2080, and it does have the bragging rights of being the first 7nm video card to reach production AFAIK. The price is what makes it seem a little underwhelming, especially if it fails to match the 2080's performance, but still certainly a high-end AMD graphics card worthy of release IMO.

Are you sure about reference-only? I saw the false TT article about only 5k units and reference only, but that was refuted by AMD.

Also why is everyone lumping the 1080Ti and 2080 performance together? TPU database shows 2080 is 30% better than 1080Ti in their benchmark suite.


Redwoodz is offline  
post #29 of 86 (permalink) Old 01-28-2019, 07:16 AM
Performance is the bible
Defoler has a spectacular aura about Defoler has a spectacular aura about Defoler has a spectacular aura about Defoler has a spectacular aura about Defoler has a spectacular aura about Defoler has a spectacular aura about Defoler has a spectacular aura about Defoler has a spectacular aura about Defoler has a spectacular aura about Defoler has a spectacular aura about Defoler has a spectacular aura about
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 6,461
Quote: Originally Posted by JackCY View Post
They can't compete on price with HBM cards vs GDDR.
Takes makes AMD's decisions so.. not making sense.
Why use such expensive memory for their top of the line GPU, when they most likely could get away with GDDR6?
Unless they have a huge design flaw, that is forcing them to use very high bandwidth to compensate for something else, it just doesn't make sense to use HBM2 for such a card.


Defoler is offline  
post #30 of 86 (permalink) Old 01-28-2019, 07:22 AM
Performance is the bible
Defoler has a spectacular aura about Defoler has a spectacular aura about Defoler has a spectacular aura about Defoler has a spectacular aura about Defoler has a spectacular aura about Defoler has a spectacular aura about Defoler has a spectacular aura about Defoler has a spectacular aura about Defoler has a spectacular aura about Defoler has a spectacular aura about Defoler has a spectacular aura about
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 6,461
Quote: Originally Posted by ZealotKi11er View Post
Nvidia sells 12GB HMB2 for $3000. HMB2 is too expensive for what it offers. GDDR5 has been out since 2008. It took Nvidia/AMD 10 years. If G7 does not come out then eventually all will be forced to use HBM.
With GDDR5, everyone expected HBM to replace GDDR all together. Then came GDDR5X and now GDDR6. I don't think they will stop developing GDDR as long as it is fast enough and much cheaper than HBM for consumers. I don't think they will be forced to use HBM any time soon. The move from HBM1 to HBM2 should have reduced the costs, but it seems not so, but so far only increased them as they have also used more memory than before.


Defoler is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Overclock.net - An Overclocking Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off