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Trades raw power with 2080. Well um was hoping for more for lower prices but I guess I'll wait till Fall to see if the prices on used 1080 Tis drop below 570 bucks
My only worry is the 1080 ti might get shafted with drivers.

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So far seen only Gamers Nexus review.

a) The PCB and VRM thermals looks to me great.

b) GPU + HBM seems to me significantly higher as I expected.
Way back on R 290X by Sapphire they used Vapor chamber which had bumps on it.

The card obviously throttles on thermals - which is of course a problem.

Modding of the cooler might (only MIGHT) allow for much better thermals and thus better results as well...

c) Frametimes - exceptional for pre-release version of the driver.

d) Claims that card is similar to Nvidias in performance.
Not really, as there seem to be present a different reason for the FPS limitation (CPU, RAM or software related).

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https://www.anandtech.com/show/13923...-vii-review/20

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So against its primary competition, the RTX 2080, the Radeon VII is 5-6% behind, reference-to-reference. For our suite, the only games that it takes the lead are in Far Cry 5 and Battlefield 1, so perhaps less of ‘trading blows’ than it would appear. And if one considers the RTX 2080 Founders Edition as a reference design (albeit with non-reference TDP and boost clock), then this gap widens. Speculating on AIB designs is a little out-of-scope here, but given the open-air triple axial fan we’re seeing most, if not all, of the hand Vega 20 can play, as opposed to a traditional blower that by nature has some extra performance overhead.

So, depending on the review it's either on par overall or, like, AnandTech above, 5-6% slower against the non FE 2080 chip, with the gap widening against the 90 Mhz faster clocked FE card, or 4% slower overall in the case of TechSpot/Hardware Unboxed's review. GN, Hardware Unboxed and Jayz are saying that the drivers were incredibly buggy and Linus also mentioned it. Also, no Crossfire Support?

So, Lisa, you said that Jensen hadn't seen the card yet. Did you?

AMD kept adjusting parameters on the card even after having announced it. FP64 support is the obvious example here, which in this case is a good thing, but not for gamers, which ultimately means that they figured out that the card is not a competitive offer overall for gamers and thus decided to open FP64 even more to lure people interested in compute tasks:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13923...n-vii-review/3
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The Radeon VII graphics card was created for gamers and creators, enthusiasts and early adopters. Given the broader market Radeon VII is targeting, we were considering different levels of FP64 performance. We previously communicated that Radeon VII provides 0.88 TFLOPS (DP=1/16 SP). However based on customer interest and feedback we wanted to let you know that we have decided to increase double precision compute performance to 3.52 TFLOPS (DP=1/4SP).

If you looked at FP64 performance in your testing, you may have seen this performance increase as the VBIOS and press drivers we shared with reviewers were pre-release test drivers that had these values already set. In addition, we have updated other numbers to reflect the achievable peak frequency in calculating Radeon VII performance as noted in the [charts].

There was an extra step in the conversation above: the first word was that it was 1:16, but then AnandTech got confirmation from AMD that it was 1:8 (Ryan Smith said so on Twitter). Now it's 1:4.

As inelegant as Jensen was, his comment of AMD having thought of the card that morning is starting to make a lot of sense.


Anyway, in summary, the current GPU gens from both makers are a pass. Both are transitional products while we wait for the real stuff on 7nm from Nvidia and Navi from AMD.

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Some of the compute numbers are threw the roof with this card. Interesting in regards to who is buying the first batch? Entry level workstation people or gamers.

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Same rhetoric on OCN as per each AMD GPU release; Oh its so unimpressive, i wanted more performance, its underwhelming.
Wait two months for drivers to start maturing, and availability to improve, then watch it trade blows with the 2080 Ti in more than just BF5/DX12.

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I gotta ask though, who actually needs/uses and actually sees the difference when it comes to visuals easily with RTX on and off? Nvidia willl win this out due to marketing. Granted AMD didn't help themselves by offering it at the same price as a 2080
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Can you find used 1080 Tis these days? Also, Navi will probably not be faster than this. It's a Polaris replacement. Just get a 2080 Ti. You know you want one.
I'm in Australia. Used 1080TIs go for about $700 - 1k

Most 2080s are $1100+

2080TIs are around $2100+

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Same rhetoric on OCN as per each AMD GPU release; Oh its so unimpressive, i wanted more performance, its underwhelming.
Wait two months for drivers to start maturing, and availability to improve, then watch it trade blows with the 2080 Ti in more than just BF5/DX12.
That will never happen just like the RX Vega 64 never trading blows with the GTX 1080 ti. Please don't link comparisons between the Vega 64 vs the GTX 1080 ti on AMD exclusives that nVidia didn't release fame ready drivers for.

AMD already announced they have a RTX 2080 competitor.

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That will never happen just like the RX Vega 64 never trading blows with the GTX 1080 ti. Please don't link comparisons between the Vega 64 vs the GTX 1080 ti on AMD exclusives that nVidia didn't release fame ready drivers for.

AMD already announced they have a RTX 2080 competitor.
Wait the VII isn't the 2080 competitor? It already trades blows with it. Do you mean a 2080 Ti competitor? If so, I'm waiting for that. Assuming its not gonna be 1200 bucks.
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That will never happen just like the RX Vega 64 never trading blows with the GTX 1080 ti. Please don't link comparisons between the Vega 64 vs the GTX 1080 ti on AMD exclusives that nVidia didn't release fame ready drivers for.

AMD already announced they have a RTX 2080 competitor.
Wait the VII isn't the 2080 competitor? It already trades blows with it. Do you mean a 2080 Ti competitor? If so, I'm waiting for that. Assuming its not gonna be 1200 bucks.
Meant to say AMD already announced the Radeon VII is a RTX competitor. It won't magically leap from over the RTX 2080 especially since nVidia improved all the weaknesses of the GTX 10 series.

Aside from gaming, for deep learning get the RTX 2080 for HPC get the Radeon VII.

I'm sure a Liquid card will be out though with 4096 cores based on the Mi60 or another Frontier Edition.

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