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post #421 of 636 (permalink) Old 02-11-2019, 07:21 AM
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Nope, just running on water. I live in San Diego since I hate the snow. Found a way to lock frequency at 1827Mhz.

Here is gameplay at 1800Mhz while I was testing to see which frequency is stable. As you can see the frequency doesn't spike like it normally does since it's actually locked at a frequency.

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Temperature and noise are again, like vega, due to a high stock voltage........ at least I hope people are not taking as operational noise the furmark scenario.....

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Over the past few months I have seen countless comments along the lines of 'GCN needs to die it can't compete with Nvidia's' but after this launch and looking at how the Radeon 7 stacks up, it's pretty clear to me GCN is not the problem. BF5 and Prey, games that have been focused on by both driver teams shows the Radeon 7 is nearly 15% faster (in DX12 of course). AMD and GCN's problem is a mix of software-side things:

- Games targeting Nvidia hardware as well as Nvidia propriety features as you say
- Poor drivers in smaller/older titles (this is an issue due to their resource-stretched driver team)
- Reviewers benching majority of titles in DX11, which compounds the above issue

They could change their architecture completely, but unless they reverse engineer Turing and its successor to create a mirror image arch of their own, these problems will remain just as they are with GCN. GCN is compute focused but it wouldn't make sense to abandon that when the coming PS5 has an APU with heavy compute customization (speculation, but it has Navi-based GPU cores).
GCN is more futureproof compared to CUDA cores. People who are speculating that Nvidias are better optmized for gaming and AMD for computing should look at raw data about the graphical chips. Nvidia usually has less Shaders and much more ROPs, while they are pushing GPU and GDDR frequencies as high as possible - thats why their VRMs and Coolers are so much of an overkill, while it has little to do with GCN or Turing as a whole.

In most cases the improvements in FPS may look nice on graph, but in reali life, you either play at 1080p, 1440p, or 4K at 30, 60 or 120 FPS (in few cases more). Therefore its a question whether it really matters that one graphic card can do 1440p at 130FPS or 160FPS? Not really unless you can display that.

Also Nvidia has its logo pasted on 60-70 percent of PC gaming titles, therefore optimizations towards this architecture is expected. AMD is in exactly oppossite situation because they have won the console market and they really dont need to push anything to anyone. Their job is based on reliability and compatibility = its expected that porting from PC to consoles should be as easy as is technically possible.

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Temperature and noise are again, like vega, due to a high stock voltage........ at least I hope people are not taking as operational noise the furmark scenario.....
Temperatures are very good from my tests. During MSI Kombustor 1080p test, GPU did not went over 83°C (its very good considering the shape and mass of the cooler). It was just Tjunction which was too high - that indicates only poor pressure and bad contact with the cooler.

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Over the past few months I have seen countless comments along the lines of 'GCN needs to die it can't compete with Nvidia's' but after this launch and looking at how the Radeon 7 stacks up, it's pretty clear to me GCN is not the problem. BF5 and Prey, games that have been focused on by both driver teams shows the Radeon 7 is nearly 15% faster (in DX12 of course). AMD and GCN's problem is a mix of software-side things:

- Games targeting Nvidia hardware as well as Nvidia propriety features as you say
- Poor drivers in smaller/older titles (this is an issue due to their resource-stretched driver team)
- Reviewers benching majority of titles in DX11, which compounds the above issue
GCN has to be the issue because it takes more energy to produce the same results on better lithography. And if you're still skeptic, there's a reason they're moving away from GCN with Arcturus.

As for ITWIMTBP titles, reviewers got better performance from the 2080 in some AMD sponsored titles, so there goes that theory.

Regarding DX11, it makes sense for reviewers to bench most games with it because DX12 is broken in the vast majority of titles that support it (stuttering and/or worse performance).

There's no point in sugarcoating reality. It is what it is. It's exactly like it says on the tin. The results that reviewers got are real and that's what people need to consider when buying a graphics card.

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Hardwareluxx says the Radeon VII is getting Radeon Pro drivers.

If true I may pick one up if the graphical performance is there (GTX TITAN X Pascal / TITAN xP level). They'll probably cannibalize the $1K WX 8200 (Vega 56) in the process and a Navi replacement is overdue for the WX7100 (RX 480 "pro"). Nvidia alternatives aren't that amazing at that pricepoint such as the $1K RTX 4000 (RTX 2070 "pro") and $750 P4000 (GTX 1070 Pro underclocked).

https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.ph...stuetzung.html
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Also, there's the emphasis on their hardware-based scheduler (on the WX 8200 page) which doesn't tank if you render at the same time as stressing the viewport / graphical performance:
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So after the FP64 boost, AMD now adding Radeon VII support to they Pro Drivers:
Unified “One Driver” for ALL for AMD graphics hardware
Radeon™ Pro Software for Enterprise 19.Q1 simplifies deployment and delivers the stability, simplicity, and security of Radeon™ Pro Software to knowledge workers using commercial applications and content creators using media and entertainment applications with AMD Radeon™ graphics cards (Radeon™ VII “One Driver” support coming soon). However, the workstation application certifications and optimizations available with AMD Radeon™ Pro Software for Enterprise when using Radeon™ Pro graphics cards are NOT available when using AMD Radeon™ graphics cards.

So it will be like Vega Frontier? 699$ too cheap for this card, price will go up IMO.
https://community.amd.com/community/...certifications
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I'll wait for Arcturus, found a way to lock my Vega 64 at 1827Mhz and it runs perfectly.

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Hardwareluxx says the Radeon VII is getting Radeon Pro drivers.

If true I may pick one up if the graphical performance is there (GTX TITAN X Pascal / TITAN xP level). They'll probably cannibalize the $1K WX 8200 (Vega 56) in the process and a Navi replacement is overdue for the WX7100 (RX 480 "pro"). Nvidia alternatives aren't that amazing at that pricepoint such as the $1K RTX 4000 (RTX 2070 "pro") and $750 P4000 (GTX 1070 Pro underclocked).

https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.ph...stuetzung.html
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Also, there's the emphasis on their hardware-based scheduler (on the WX 8200 page) which doesn't tank if you render at the same time as stressing the viewport / graphical performance:
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So after the FP64 boost, AMD now adding Radeon VII support to they Pro Drivers:
Unified “One Driver” for ALL for AMD graphics hardware
Radeon™ Pro Software for Enterprise 19.Q1 simplifies deployment and delivers the stability, simplicity, and security of Radeon™ Pro Software to knowledge workers using commercial applications and content creators using media and entertainment applications with AMD Radeon™ graphics cards (Radeon™ VII “One Driver” support coming soon). However, the workstation application certifications and optimizations available with AMD Radeon™ Pro Software for Enterprise when using Radeon™ Pro graphics cards are NOT available when using AMD Radeon™ graphics cards.

So it will be like Vega Frontier? 699$ too cheap for this card, price will go up IMO.
https://community.amd.com/community/...certifications
The current release driver is very different from previous FuryX and Vega drivers. But it can be only speculated for what reason that happenned. All i see is just that the driver is quite clean and functional, but a bit rough on the edges.

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So after the FP64 boost, AMD now adding Radeon VII support to they Pro Drivers:
Unified “One Driver” for ALL for AMD graphics hardware
Radeon™ Pro Software for Enterprise 19.Q1 simplifies deployment and delivers the stability, simplicity, and security of Radeon™ Pro Software to knowledge workers using commercial applications and content creators using media and entertainment applications with AMD Radeon™ graphics cards (Radeon™ VII “One Driver” support coming soon). However, the workstation application certifications and optimizations available with AMD Radeon™ Pro Software for Enterprise when using Radeon™ Pro graphics cards are NOT available when using AMD Radeon™ graphics cards.

So it will be like Vega Frontier? 699$ too cheap for this card, price will go up IMO.
https://community.amd.com/community/...certifications
I need to get my hands on one asap! This card is way too cheap for the compute performance/memory and support. It's no surprise why AMD is making their way into the server market with their cheap ECC memory cards and now cheap FP64 performance.

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Maybe Thing are going good for AMD/TSMC and they aren't loosing too much by releasing this card, but this way their are gaining market share and convincing Prosumers to jump the ship and buy AMD's GPU's and with this method they will get Dev's attentions that will take AMD's graphics into account and start optimizing/taking advantages of their architecture.
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