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post #911 of 937 (permalink) Old 04-02-2019, 09:08 PM
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That's absolutely ridiculous. By that logic, I can't buy anything but intel or nvidia, less I be a "fanboy".
Whats wrong with the ryzen CPUs?

How can you compare a perfect affordable multithread CPU with something like Vega?
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As a consumer you buy the best product for your needs. Out of the two the RTX 2080 provides the better gaming experience. I bought my Radeon VII for ROCm and Mac. Not for gaming, if I wanted a card just for gaming, without hesitation I would of bought the RTX 2080.


That's the kind of bold statement that should be reserved for a card that beats its rival by a LOT more than just 5% overall (or less, depending on what review you are reading).

1. It has less features - The only feature of note that the 2080 has over the RVII is Nvidia's very limited ray-tracing functionality, a feature that is about as useful on the 2080 as the 16GB of HBM2 on the RVII (which in and of itself is a feature the RVII has over the 2080)
2. It cost the same as a RTX 2080 - A quick perusal of Amazon shows that the vast majority of 2080's for sale are far more expensive than the RVII's (generally around $800 vs $700). MSRP is not the same as actual retail pricing.
3. It runs hot - The RVII only really runs "hot" when overclocked. Out of the box it runs at perfectly acceptable temps.
4. it's loud - It is loud (though the fan curve issues early on have mitigated this issue somewhat). If noise levels are your primary concern then the 2080 is a better choice, but most people don't care that much about noise (and the RVII is a great WC candidate).
5. It uses too much power - RVII uses more power than the 2080 does, but where do you get the idea that it uses "too much" power? Its not like its sucking down 600W or anything...
6. It's overall 5% slower than a RTX 2080 - To be honest, +/- 5% is nearly within margin of error territory and is in no way so much of an advantage as to make one product un-purchasable.

The Radeon VII is absolutely close enough to the 2080 in pure gaming performance to warrant consideration from non-fanboys, and anyone who makes the claim that the 2080 is just so much better than the RVII that it renders the AMD card irrelevant is just a fanboy themselves.


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Quote: Originally Posted by gt86 View Post
Whats wrong with the ryzen CPUs?

How can you compare a perfect affordable multithread CPU with something like Vega?
And what's wrong with vega? The 56 and 64 are both affordable. Calling the ryzen cpus perfect is also ridiculous. They're good, but do not beat intel in gaming, yet.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post
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That's the kind of bold statement that should be reserved for a card that beats its rival by a LOT more than just 5% overall (or less, depending on what review you are reading).

1. It has less features - The only feature of note that the 2080 has over the RVII is Nvidia's very limited ray-tracing functionality, a feature that is about as useful on the 2080 as the 16GB of HBM2 on the RVII (which in and of itself is a feature the RVII has over the 2080)
2. It cost the same as a RTX 2080 - A quick perusal of Amazon shows that the vast majority of 2080's for sale are far more expensive than the RVII's (generally around $800 vs $700). MSRP is not the same as actual retail pricing.
3. It runs hot - The RVII only really runs "hot" when overclocked. Out of the box it runs at perfectly acceptable temps.
4. it's loud - It is loud (though the fan curve issues early on have mitigated this issue somewhat). If noise levels are your primary concern then the 2080 is a better choice, but most people don't care that much about noise (and the RVII is a great WC candidate).
5. It uses too much power - RVII uses more power than the 2080 does, but where do you get the idea that it uses "too much" power? Its not like its sucking down 600W or anything...
6. It's overall 5% slower than a RTX 2080 - To be honest, +/- 5% is nearly within margin of error territory and is in no way so much of an advantage as to make one product un-purchasable.

The Radeon VII is absolutely close enough to the 2080 in pure gaming performance to warrant consideration from non-fanboys, and anyone who makes the claim that the 2080 is just so much better than the RVII that it renders the AMD card irrelevant is just a fanboy themselves.
Where are you getting your info from regarding noise/heat?

Do you have a Radeon VII? It's loud, it's hot and after undervolting it, the card still thermal throttles unless the fan is set to 3850 RPM. I haven't touched my desktop while I wait for my EK block which I'm picking up tomorrow since DHL doesn't know how to deliver a package. The junction temp is always at 110c with the stock cooler even when undervolted unless it's modified or the fan is at the highest speed.

Where do I get the idea it uses too much power? With my 6700k @ 4.2ghz stock I used a power monitor to test power usage from the wall. Total system power draw is 366w when running Furmark. When overclocking HBM and undervolting the system power draw is 410w and when playing Overwatch Total system power draw is 470w with the overclocked/undervolted settings. Clearly voltage goes up when increasing the HBM clock and the voltage can't be controlled.

A 5870 was still the obvious choice even though the GTX 480 outperformed the 5870 and crushed it in DirectX 11 titles.

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But can it run.... Angry Birds???

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Where are you getting your info from regarding noise/heat?

Do you have a Radeon VII? It's loud, it's hot and after undervolting it, the card still thermal throttles unless the fan is set to 3850 RPM. I haven't touched my desktop while I wait for my EK block which I'm picking up tomorrow since DHL doesn't know how to deliver a package. The junction temp is always at 110c with the stock cooler even when undervolted unless it's modified or the fan is at the highest speed.

Where do I get the idea it uses too much power? With my 6700k @ 4.2ghz stock I used a power monitor to test power usage from the wall. Total system power draw is 366w when running Furmark. When overclocking HBM and undervolting the system power draw is 410w and when playing Overwatch Total system power draw is 470w with the overclocked/undervolted settings. Clearly voltage goes up when increasing the HBM clock and the voltage can't be controlled.

A 5870 was still the obvious choice even though the GTX 480 outperformed the 5870 and crushed it in DirectX 11 titles.
100w in oc as a spike it is more than ok, with overclock I mean (I don't get why oc a 1000mhz hbm2 with plenty of bandwidth though).....so...... I don't see any real shame.....pick a 2080 and oc it and you won't be very fall from that numbers.....

110 tjunction at stock? well, seems a bit high, you have a loosen cooler or a terrible thermal pad installation or you play in a oven

A single card is not a line up (otherwise turing cards are faulty and will be a terrible value on used market, all of them, ALL....this is a faulty logic son).... nowadays people wc cards just to don't have 15-30 mhz of thermal trottling so, what you complain about?

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Anybody talking about this in the thread yet?


Isn't even that good of an overclock, and the graphs speak for themselves.
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And what's wrong with vega? The 56 and 64 are both affordable. Calling the ryzen cpus perfect is also ridiculous. They're good, but do not beat intel in gaming, yet.
I called it a perfect affordable multithread CPU. Because that is what it is. Its better than Intel in terms of MT Performance/Price while achiving around the same efficiency. So in this usecase its better than Intel (considering the price).

Now we know what ryzen is good at (shoudnt you know it before?).

Now tell me what is Vega 2 good at? I mean beside turning energy into heat.
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The Radeon VII is absolutely close enough to the 2080 in pure gaming performance to warrant consideration from non-fanboys, and anyone who makes the claim that the 2080 is just so much better than the RVII that it renders the AMD card irrelevant is just a fanboy themselves.
"Close enough" would only tip the scale if you are "AMD fanboy".

If you are unbiased, you should choose the 2080.
When presented with two chairs, you sit on the one that is most comfortable for you, not the one that is "just not as good, but almost" just in the name of principle, and sometimes feel a little bit off when sitting, knowing, that you could be so much more comfortable on the chair you should have chosen in the first place.

If the games you play are not tipping the scale to AMD, but play a verity of games, then "close enough" is not good enough.

Simple as that.

Any other choice is based on preferability. You like brand A or brand B. haagen daz or b&j. You like AMD or Nvidia.
If that is a legitimate choice, than the claims of "fanboy" targeted at one brand while reseting it about another, are absolutely stupid.
But those are subjective choices. If you want to be objective, then it is simple. Choose the one that is first place, not second best.


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He is saying that with a 5% difference you and noone won't feel any difference in the two seats.....simple as that.

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