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Moreover- there were many examples of much lower 1% FPS numbers on RTX 2080 while Radeon VII was closer to RTX 2080TI 1% FPS numbers, also some games had small stuttering with 2080, so AVG FPS it's not all the story and choosing factor.
if RTX 2080 had 11GB like 1080TI- yes it would be better choice over Radeon VII.
There is no clear answer- it's depends on the games U prefer and other usage.

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A 5870 was still the obvious choice even though the GTX 480 outperformed the 5870 and crushed it in DirectX 11 titles.
The 5870 cost 100$ less than the 480, but the 480 was 10% faster.
So the comparison between them is irrelevant to this case.

We are comparing two cards that cost the same.

It has been awhile since we had that "option" of equal price cards. Every time, either AMD or nvidia, when they got a faster card, they bumped the price up, or put their pricing / performance just between cards, so they weren't really a full on direct comparison.

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He is saying that with a 5% difference you and noone won't feel any difference in the two seats.....simple as that.
But isn't it more than 5%? TPU showed 10% average difference, same as HOCP and TH. Anand showed 7%, G3D showed 11%, KG showed 4%.



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Quote: Originally Posted by gt86 View Post
I called it a perfect affordable multithread CPU. Because that is what it is. Its better than Intel in terms of MT Performance/Price while achiving around the same efficiency. So in this usecase its better than Intel (considering the price).

Now we know what ryzen is good at (shoudnt you know it before?).

Now tell me what is Vega 2 good at? I mean beside turning energy into heat.
How about you read my post just above this one you've made, that should answer your question.

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Moreover- there were many examples of much lower 1% FPS numbers on RTX 2080 while Radeon VII was closer to RTX 2080TI 1% FPS numbers, also some games had small stuttering with 2080, so AVG FPS it's not all the story and choosing factor.
if RTX 2080 had 11GB like 1080TI- yes it would be better choice over Radeon VII.
There is no clear answer- it's depends on the games U prefer and other usage.
Or in any Australians case, like me, it depends if you feel like spending $1000 more for marginally better performance at 4K with a 2080ti over an RVII.

Mind you, I am pretty sure that is an FE in those charts, but even so, to have a water cooled 2080Ti, that's even more cost involved, the price of pre-waterblocked custom third party vendor 2080Ti's in Oz is $2.5K...the price of a RVII, a waterblock, and the 4K monitor to accompany it combined, value for money!!! Stop kvetching and just buy it goyim! Nvidia can make the most energy efficient GPU whenever they please!..(but they can't make a card that actually convincingly beats the competition and isn't twice the price).
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Moreover- there were many examples of much lower 1% FPS numbers on RTX 2080 while Radeon VII was closer to RTX 2080TI 1% FPS numbers, also some games had small stuttering with 2080, so AVG FPS it's not all the story and choosing factor.
if RTX 2080 had 11GB like 1080TI- yes it would be better choice over Radeon VII.
There is no clear answer- it's depends on the games U prefer and other usage.
wonder why fcat tests disappeared from the scene.....

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Quote: Originally Posted by ilmazzo View Post
wonder why fcat tests disappeared from the scene.....
Interest of Nvidia in Gsync got much lower, and most of players still follow the simplest number = FPS.

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That's the kind of bold statement that should be reserved for a card that beats its rival by a LOT more than just 5% overall (or less, depending on what review you are reading).

1. It has less features - The only feature of note that the 2080 has over the RVII is Nvidia's very limited ray-tracing functionality, a feature that is about as useful on the 2080 as the 16GB of HBM2 on the RVII (which in and of itself is a feature the RVII has over the 2080)
2. It cost the same as a RTX 2080 - A quick perusal of Amazon shows that the vast majority of 2080's for sale are far more expensive than the RVII's (generally around $800 vs $700). MSRP is not the same as actual retail pricing.
3. It runs hot - The RVII only really runs "hot" when overclocked. Out of the box it runs at perfectly acceptable temps.
4. it's loud - It is loud (though the fan curve issues early on have mitigated this issue somewhat). If noise levels are your primary concern then the 2080 is a better choice, but most people don't care that much about noise (and the RVII is a great WC candidate).
5. It uses too much power - RVII uses more power than the 2080 does, but where do you get the idea that it uses "too much" power? Its not like its sucking down 600W or anything...
6. It's overall 5% slower than a RTX 2080 - To be honest, +/- 5% is nearly within margin of error territory and is in no way so much of an advantage as to make one product un-purchasable.

The Radeon VII is absolutely close enough to the 2080 in pure gaming performance to warrant consideration from non-fanboys, and anyone who makes the claim that the 2080 is just so much better than the RVII that it renders the AMD card irrelevant is just a fanboy themselves.
I am actually excited about VII because since 290X I have not had the need to WC and the benefit from Nvidia GPUs and AMDs AIO GPUs was almost 0 going water.

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Quote: Originally Posted by ilmazzo View Post
wonder why fcat tests disappeared from the scene.....

For a while Nvidia completely broke it from working on their GPUs. Also I believe it was incompatible with DX12 at least initially.

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100w in oc as a spike it is more than ok, with overclock I mean (I don't get why oc a 1000mhz hbm2 with plenty of bandwidth though).....so...... I don't see any real shame.....pick a 2080 and oc it and you won't be very fall from that numbers.....

110 tjunction at stock? well, seems a bit high, you have a loosen cooler or a terrible thermal pad installation or you play in a oven

A single card is not a line up (otherwise turing cards are faulty and will be a terrible value on used market, all of them, ALL....this is a faulty logic).... nowadays people wc cards just to don't have 15-30 mhz of thermal trottling so, what you complain about?
Because overclocking HBM gives a decent performance increase. With a RTX 2080 I can control the memory voltage. I never touch memory voltage when overclocking my GPU memory so if I did get a RTX 2080 power wouldn't increase but I wouldn't be able to anyway since nVidia isn't allowed to release nVidia drivers for Mojave.

110 tjunction at stock is normal and you can check every review site including gamernexus that shows tjunction. I'm not going to modify the stock cooler since the plan was to always purchase a water block which I'm picking up today. I love the excuses that people come up with. Why should a consumer have to modify the stock cooler of a $700 GPU?

People water cool for many different reasons. I water cool for silence, I have my fans at 600 RPM and the only thing I heard was the coil whine from my Vega 64. Now all I hear is a loud obnoxious fan from the Radeon VII. Who would of thought that their triple fan design would be as loud as their blower? I guess that's what happens when you use Cooler Master as the manufacturer.

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wonder why fcat tests disappeared from the scene.....
I feel like PCPer stopped pushing Fcat tests and people forgot about it.
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https://wccftech.com/borderlands-3-l...eptember-13th/

This going to be a trend, more and more Games will be optimized for AMD GPU's/CPUs too, not like it was for many years NV optimized only.
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