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Quote: Originally Posted by umeng2002 View Post
That's odd since it works in BFV for me without GFE installed.

Maybe they quietly changed their minds, they are masters at that. Or maybe they intend to enforce it later on, but eased the system for these first few titles, given the general backlash against Turing's high prices and lackluster RTX performance, to avoid having people complain about one more walled garden barrier to entry to use the new features, even more so after having waited for so long to see them in action in actual games.

As I said back then when the sites quoted above reported on it, there is no technical reason for Nvidia to require GFE to get the game specific DLSS packages, it's a telemetry and marketing move for them above all. If the DLSS packages are small they can be packed with the game ready drivers like SLI profiles; if they are relatively big, like 100 MB of more (seems more likely), they can be optional downloads from their site next to the drivers or, much more practical and with a lot more sense to it, they can ship the finished package to the game dev and then it gets shipped with the game at launch or as part of an update - people already download several GB's worth of game updates, a DLSS package that is 100-200 MB big is a drop in the ocean.

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Quote: Originally Posted by tpi2007 View Post
Maybe they quietly changed their minds, they are masters at that. Or maybe they intend to enforce it later on, but eased the system for these first few titles, given the general backlash against Turing's high prices and lackluster RTX performance, to avoid having people complain about one more walled garden barrier to entry to use the new features, even more so after having waited for so long to see them in action in actual games.

As I said back then when the sites quoted above reported on it, there is no technical reason for Nvidia to require GFE to get the game specific DLSS packages, it's a telemetry and marketing move for them above all. If the DLSS packages are small they can be packed with the game ready drivers like SLI profiles; if they are relatively big, like 100 MB of more (seems more likely), they can be optional downloads from their site next to the drivers or, much more practical and with a lot more sense to it, they can ship the finished package to the game dev and then it gets shipped with the game at launch or as part of an update - people already download several GB's worth of game updates, a DLSS package that is 100-200 MB big is a drop in the ocean.
or how about the press was wrong? like i said they were back then??

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Quote: Originally Posted by looniam View Post
or how about the press was wrong? like i said they were back then??

yeah simple answers are best.

The press wasn't wrong, they didn't make it up on their own and Tom's Hardware specifically confirmed it with Nvidia.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...ed,5801-5.html
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While we hoped Nvidia's GeForce Experience (GFE) software wouldn't be a requisite of DLSS, we suspected it probably would be. Sure enough, the company confirmed that the features of NGX are tightly woven into GFE. If the software detects a Turing-based GPU, it downloads a package called NGX Core, which determines if games/apps are relevant to NGX. When there's a match, NGX Core retrieves any associated deep neural networks for later use.


You know where these three sites got their info from to begin with? From none other than Nvidia themselves in their Turing architecture whitepaper (page 33):

https://www.nvidia.com/content/dam/e...Whitepaper.pdf

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NGX SOFTWARE ARCHITECTURE

The features of NGX tightly couple to the NVIDIA driver and hardware. The NGX API provides access to several AI features for games and applications. The features are pre-trained by NVIDIA and ready for integration. The API has been designed to be thin and easy for applications to integrate multiple AI features. NGX services run on the GPU, allowing it to support multiple features and applications.

NVIDIA NGX features are managed by the NVIDIA GeForce Experience™ (GFE) application or the tech preview version of the NVIDIA Quadro Experience™ (QXP) application. After GFE or QXP is installed or updated, it looks for the presence of a Turing GPU. Once detected, the NGX Corepackage is downloaded and installed. GFE/QXP communicates with NGX Core to determine the game and application IDs present and their relevance to NGX. Different DNN models that work with various installed games and applications are then downloaded for subsequent use.

NGX DNN models can interface with CUDA 10, the DirectX and Vulkan drivers, as well as take advantage of NVIDIA TensorRT™, the high-performance deep learning inference optimizer that delivers low latency and high-throughput for deep learning inference applications. NGX models and services are accelerated by Turing’s enhanced Tensor Cores.

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Quote: Originally Posted by tpi2007 View Post
The press wasn't wrong, they didn't make it up on their own and Tom's Hardware specifically confirmed it with Nvidia.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...ed,5801-5.html

You know where these three sites got their info from to begin with? From none other than Nvidia themselves in their Turing architecture whitepaper (page 33):

https://www.nvidia.com/content/dam/e...Whitepaper.pdf
yeah sure, whatever. i told you before the driver package would be the same and GFE wouldn't be needed. i explained in detail what you proposed, from what you read from the press, was WRONG.

but yeah sure, whatever. keep the FUD train going.

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Are you trolling? I just linked you to Nvidia's whitepaper and provided the quotes proving that you are flat out wrong.

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Quote: Originally Posted by tpi2007 View Post
Are you trolling? I just linked you to Nvidia's whitepaper and provided the quotes proving that you are flat out wrong.
reality says different, doesn't it? you don't need GFE to use DLSS.

you presented a statement as fact when it is very much wrong. had you bothered to take action yourself instead relying on the same sources you, yourself has criticized, both the press and nvidia, you would have know it to be wrong. i guess its ok to use them as a shield when it fits, eh?

but no, you would rather not following up on anything and instead spread some garbage.

no wonder this sub forum turns into toxic waste water.

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Quote: Originally Posted by tpi2007 View Post
Are you trolling? I just linked you to Nvidia's whitepaper and provided the quotes proving that you are flat out wrong.
He has a conspiracy theory that all medias are wrong.
He showed that in other threads as well, basically claiming that he alone is the master of all truth.


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Quote: Originally Posted by looniam View Post
reality says different, doesn't it? you don't need GFE to use DLSS.

you presented a statement as fact when it is very much wrong. had you bothered to take action yourself instead relying on the same sources you, yourself has criticized, both the press and nvidia, you would have know it to be wrong. i guess its ok to use them as a shield when it fits, eh?

but no, you would rather not following up on anything and instead spread some garbage.

no wonder this sub forum turns into toxic waste water.
He isn't wrong that entire shebang about DLSS, from the onset, was quoted to work through GFE and the details came from the horses mouth. Unless you have source who had confirmed to you while at launch of the RTX series that GFE wouldn't be a pre-requisite for DLSS while the media ran with the article claiming the contrary.

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