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Has nothing to do with being able to afford it. More watts, more heat, more noise. I want good performance, but i also watt *decent efficiency* - not great, just decent.

Radeon VII uses like 300 watts while performing less tha 2080, which uses 200 watts.

There's no way I'd get Radeon VII over 2080. I don't want any of them tho. I'll be waiting for Nvidia 7nm/7nm+
I have a beefy custom loop so any card I buy will be getting a block anyway, thus my non-caring about watts, heat, and noise. In fact, I would argue that the RVII seems to be one of those cards that actually rewards us water coolers as in some edge-case scenarios the performance under water goes far beyond a 2080 and lands more closely to the 2080Ti. The 2080 OTOH renders water cooling completely superfluous just like Pascal did before it, which is certainly good news for the mainstream GPU consumers but is disappointing to many of us enthusiasts on OCN who already have their loops built and enjoy seeing our new cards benefit from them.

GN touched on the topic of water cooling the RVII in a video yesterday (it was a bit rushed as they were leaving for Asia today and couldn't go super into depth about their findings), but they did point out that simply water cooling the card in and of itself netted them significant performance gains. Its really like a throwback video card to the Kepler/Hawaii days when water cooling your GPU's had tangible benefits that came with a sense of satisfaction for having designed and built a full custom loop in the first place!


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I have a beefy custom loop so any card I buy will be getting a block anyway, thus my non-caring about watts, heat, and noise. In fact, I would argue that the RVII seems to be one of those cards that actually rewards us water coolers as in some edge-case scenarios the performance under water goes far beyond a 2080 and lands more closely to the 2080Ti. The 2080 OTOH renders water cooling completely superfluous just like Pascal did before it, which is certainly good news for the mainstream GPU consumers but is disappointing to many of us enthusiasts on OCN who already have their loops built and enjoy seeing our new cards benefit from them.

GN touched on the topic of water cooling the RVII in a video yesterday (it was a bit rushed as they were leaving for Asia today and couldn't go super into depth about their findings), but they did point out that simply water cooling the card in and of itself netted them significant performance gains. Its really like a throwback video card to the Kepler/Hawaii days when water cooling your GPU's had tangible benefits that came with a sense of satisfaction for having designed and built a full custom loop in the first place!
Depends how you look at it.

I prefer to have more efficient components in my loop whenever possible. As I only have room right now for a single 360mm radiator. The less wattage (heat) in the loop, the quieter the fans will be running, the less noise. My build philosophy is to have as efficient and cool system as possible.

If you're looking for absolute performance, I do agree that the efficiency metric goes out the window. However, I'm one of the few who values the watt / performance metric on OCN. This is really why I will only consider Nvidia cards for my next purchase. I'd love to buy a RX 580 as it's more than enough for my needs but it's hard to justify it when the GTX 1660ti is faster and only uses 120w...

Even the last gen 1080 only uses a single 8 pin (175w?). Which is loads better than the Vega 56 / 64 chips. To contrast that Vega 64 appears to be a beast on water. At that point, you're easily looking at 300w.

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Too bad there currently are no compatible aftermarket heatsinks or blocks for the 1660Ti and the sensibly priced coolers are quite meh. GTX 1070 will run cooler and quieter unless someone comes up with of custom mounting brackets.

While I like its efficiency, ~ 20% improvement over previous gen doesn't seem to offer anything tangible other than barely lower power consumption.

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GTX 1660 Ti tested on Dirt Rally 2.0 in Linux (slower than Vega 56):


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Depends how you look at it.

I prefer to have more efficient components in my loop whenever possible. As I only have room right now for a single 360mm radiator. The less wattage (heat) in the loop, the quieter the fans will be running, the less noise. My build philosophy is to have as efficient and cool system as possible.

If you're looking for absolute performance, I do agree that the efficiency metric goes out the window. However, I'm one of the few who values the watt / performance metric on OCN. This is really why I will only consider Nvidia cards for my next purchase. I'd love to buy a RX 580 as it's more than enough for my needs but it's hard to justify it when the GTX 1660ti is faster and only uses 120w...

Even the last gen 1080 only uses a single 8 pin (175w?). Which is loads better than the Vega 56 / 64 chips. To contrast that Vega 64 appears to be a beast on water. At that point, you're easily looking at 300w.
Agreed, but it always depends on your own personal point of view. My loop has both 560 and 240 rads, a D5 pump, and a slew of Noiseblock Pro fans in it, so the cooling capacity is well beyond anything I'm ever like to be doing on my system. I just don't need to care about the efficiency of my hardware because I built the loop back in a time where you HAD to have big cooling capacity if you were to have any hope of being anywhere near the top of the OCN benchmarking section (the loop was primarily designed for pushing dual 7970's and OG Titans to the max with BIOS mods and unlimited voltages, as well as a 5GHz 3960X).

There is definitely an elegance to the kind of efficiency that Nvidia has been pumping out since Pascal and that can't be denied. But the problem for me personally is that their efficiency combined with their complete lock down of OCing control has made all their GPU's since Pascal really boring to OC and has ended up rendering water-cooling itself largely superfluous. You just don't need anything beyond a decent air-cooler to get the most out of modern Nvidia cards, and slapping on a block and keeping GPU temps down in the 40C's will not net you any additional performance anyway, which is why a card like the RVII that actually benefits from water-cooling and is far less locked down in terms of voltages seems more fun to actually use.

Of course I am coming from an OCing and benchmarking angle there and not just purely gaming.


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Again the faboulous world where a VII constantly pulls 300W while a 2080 constantly pulls 200W performing better? uau are these the same persons that swap bioses on turing like socks for increasing wattage cap and then reverting back to undervolt?

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Depends how you look at it.

I prefer to have more efficient components in my loop whenever possible. As I only have room right now for a single 360mm radiator. The less wattage (heat) in the loop, the quieter the fans will be running, the less noise. My build philosophy is to have as efficient and cool system as possible.

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Even the last gen 1080 only uses a single 8 pin (175w?). Which is loads better than the Vega 56 / 64 chips. To contrast that Vega 64 appears to be a beast on water. At that point, you're easily looking at 300w.
So here's my question to you. At what point does price come into your equation? If a 580 is enough for your needs then surely a 1060 is as well. Seeing that a 1060 uses around the same power (actually a bit less) as the 1660ti, how does the now $100 price difference apply?
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someone dreams a 20W gpu with performance of a 5450....... well, buy the 5450......

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So here's my question to you. At what point does price come into your equation? If a 580 is enough for your needs then surely a 1060 is as well. Seeing that a 1060 uses around the same power (actually a bit less) as the 1660ti, how does the now $100 price difference apply?
Water blocks are hard to come by for these mid range cards & I am not willing to invest into a GPU with 6GB of VRAM at this time. Do most people water block mid range cards? No and I understand why. However, I want a silent loop and it's just a personal preference.

The RX 580 would be the best option, given it's compute performance. It's honestly a great value. However, there are few blocks for it, especially there is low availability in Canada.

https://www.dazmode.com/store/produc...s%2Bamd-cards/ One of the few local stores here.

The GTX 1070 would be the nvidia equivalent and that opens up the door for GTX 1070 / 1080 water blocks. As well, the 1070 is about ~25% faster in most DX11 titles. So there is also that incentive. Not that I game much.

Not to mention is still uses less power than the RX 580. Which will give me more loop headroom for my CPU (3930k). If I had more radiator space, I probably wouldn't care. But I am on a single 360mm/32mm radiator. My previous GPU was about 250W (GTX 780) and temps in my loop were "OK" but I didn't have headroom to OC. If I can slash 100w from my loop, I am a happy camper.

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