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post #11 of 38 (permalink) Old 03-06-2019, 07:18 AM
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So will USB4 have the same vulnerability that Thunderbolt 3 has since it's basically TB3? If that's the case, Intel can keep it for themselves.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Defoler View Post
Not really.
If we leave apple out of it, there are numerous laptops that come with at least one USB-C that is thunderbolt, even ranging in the 600$ price tags.

Intel has been pushing it, and considering they support it natively, and so many utilities start to use it, manufacturers are following suit and add it to their system. It doesn't cost them anything, and if it attracts some extra customers, why not?

And considering more cheaper eGPU solutions comes out, it makes it easier to buy a laptop with decent CPU but crappy GPU, and still gain some benefits.
well, I'm in lurk mode since months regarding a laptop 15,6''/17'' that have a full bandwith tb3 port (well, maybe I'm wrong but when manufacturer does not detail TB3 and instead put usb 3.1 type a or c in the specification I assume that there is a difference but maybe is just semantic like could be asyncronous monitors and freesync monitors....) and apart dell xps, asus rog and blablabla so already gaming oriented laptop (businesses laptop are off my record due to 13 or 14'' monitor) can' see antyhing under 1000$....cheap dell version (G5) or don't have it at all (if you take a low power 1050 model you don't have tb3, only for 1060 so it is worthless) or only 1500$ dollars model with already decent gpus......

The only interesting offer is the LG GRAM..... they don't have discrete gpus but sports TB3, which is what I'm looking for but since they are new they are still over 1500

If I will do something in the future maybe it will be a old quad core intel laptop with a .m2 converter from alibaba with x3 3.0 pciex interface (needs at least 6th gen intel cpu), should be fun...

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I wish hard drives and SSD's would switch to USB-C. So we can get rid of those obsolete SATA ports.
USB-C just means it uses the mini rounded off edge adapter. I'm assuming you meant USB 3.1 which are the really fast USB ports and in that case I have great news for you. That's exactly what is happening with NvME! Both USB 3.1, thunderbolt and NvME interface via PCIE lanes to achieve their speeds. In a sense, the only difference between the 3 is the shape of the port used to plug stuff into it. (obviously there is a lot more to it than that though)


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well, depends....

TB3 is only on expensive laptops that already have good internal gpus so it is a waste of money and time imho

Instead, USB4 will be more popular and so, more choice and cheaper prices......ah and even amd laptops will benefit from it
A lot of 13 inchers have TB3 now. And even stuff like the Dell XPS 15 and HP Spectre 15 x360 have decent GPUs but not great for gaming, mobile 1050TIs IIRC.

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surprised they didn't go with USB 3.1 Gen 3.1 or something else needlessly confusing
Oh, I doubt it will be that simple. I can see USB 4.15 Gen 4x10 Super, Duper, Unbelievable Speed. The USB-IF are the biggest bunch of morons I believe I've ever seen.

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If i may recap, as i see a point or two missing from this discussion:

- Intel originally conceives of a "Thunderbolt" protocol that is eventually said to be too expensive or difficult to implement.
- Intel being Intel doesn't let that stop it from making a quick buck or two, so they rebrand their now crippled protocol to Thunderbolt, finally launch it for the unwashed masses.
- Naturally, no one really uses it except Apple victims; sorry, i meant 'users'. But is it not trendy! Amagad is it not.
- When fully accepting that it's dead Jim, do they put it to pasture? Nope, they "release" it to an up to then agonising PC industry, just dying to implement it eeee-verywhere. Honestly.
- Intel being Intel, they have the audacity to inform of us of both their magnanimity (there, you peasants, take that) and their value to this market, as this is hardly the first time they try to fill it with junk, or worse still, suppress interesting, useful protocols only so as to enforce their own. Which are to be then discarded, but hey, who's counting.

So the obvious conclusions left unmentioned, i'm wondering if the nu-new TB controller's power consumption will be anyway near as high as it is now, if this will result to one (current, USB) or two controllers being embedded and whether the actual implementation requires lane bandwidth i'd rather see utilised elsewhere. Had anyone asked me that is..
Oh and whether, Intel being Intel, normal people like myself are in for a surprise or two because now they'll lock stuff out (sorry, the yuppie term is "exclusive" i believe) or make changes to stuff that worked perfectly fine with each and every USB device or function out there. Up to now that is.

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When can I expect a laptop with external usb 4 gpu?
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Who uses TB anyway except fanatic Apple users.
Honestly? I would. I want it on my tablet so I can run VR off of it. It's got a nice i5 dual core but not a good enough GPU so an external GPU would do the trick.

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A lot of 13 inchers have TB3 now. And even stuff like the Dell XPS 15 and HP Spectre 15 x360 have decent GPUs but not great for gaming, mobile 1050TIs IIRC.
what's the point gaming on a 13'' monitor except for mine field? It will let you blind even more faster than onanism

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what's the point gaming on a 13'' monitor except for mine field? It will let you blind even more faster than onanism



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You don't need to game on a 13"monitor.
You can use TB3->eGPU->Monitor, and play on a 27, 34, 40, whatever size and resolution you want, and get the full benefit of the big GPU.
Or you can use that eGPU for research.
Your only block will be the CPU, and many laptop CPUs can be good enough for gaming even on 4K in some games.
And of course super fast storage, full laptop power, etc, that comes and available from TB3.


Regarding latency, for eGPU, it's negligible. I am currently testing RTX 2080 in eGPU, and its fantastic. As as long as it comes either though high quality chip or straight to the CPU, you do not feel the latency.


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