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post #11 of 67 (permalink) Old 03-17-2019, 08:59 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by tpi2007 View Post
For what it's worth, nobody has managed to prove otherwise up until now, it seems that AMD does not have the L1 Terminal Fault problem. They even advised customers to not implement Foreshadow mitigations.
Correction: Nobody has managed to prove at all even up until now.

If AMD tested it, they could have stated "we tested out CPUs based on the article of the vulnerability, and we could not replicated it. We have also reached out to the authors trying to see if they can replicate it on our recent processors".
That is the correct statement to put out.
Anything else is 100% rumour and a PR spin on the issue, nothing else. Not confirmation, not proof. Nothing.

Quote: Originally Posted by m4fox90 View Post
Intel is open to yet another security flaw and the problem is... AMD probably not being open to it? AMD is the bad guy in this situation?

Break free of the blue spell here for a second and think about that
AMD are using this as a PR spin to spread unfounded rumours in order to get advantage.

Instead of actually proving it, or giving information about them testing it, we get stuck a "maybe" they are not vulnerable. For all we know, they might be vulnerable, but you will buy a CPU from them based on that maybe, because medias are jumping the hoops.



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If AMD tested it, they could have stated "we tested out CPUs based on the article of the vulnerability, and we could not replicated it. We have also reached out to the authors trying to see if they can replicate it on our recent processors".
That is the correct statement to put out.
Anything else is 100% rumour and a PR spin on the issue, nothing else. Not confirmation, not proof. Nothing.
Unless you or anyone smarter is able to prove AMD's assessment wrong, they are safer than Intel. Besides, I'm willing to trust AMD more due to their fiduciary responsibility towards shareholders than someone like you.

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AMD are using this as a PR spin to spread unfounded rumours in order to get advantage.
And the alternative to that is to fabricate faults that they do not yet have nor know how to reproduce. They're 100% right in doing the former than going on a wild goose chase.

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Instead of actually proving it, or giving information about them testing it, we get stuck a "maybe" they are not vulnerable. For all we know, they might be vulnerable, but you will buy a CPU from them based on that maybe, because medias are jumping the hoops.
As I said, until you or someone smarter than you can prove otherwise, you're blowing air outta rear.

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Unless you or anyone smarter is able to prove AMD's assessment wrong, they are safer than Intel. Besides, I'm willing to trust AMD more due to their fiduciary responsibility towards shareholders than someone like you.
No they are not safer. That is a make believe safer. Like putting a sign "beware dog!" when there is no dog. You only think it is safer. For all intended purposes, they might not be safe and even worse.
If you believe AMD because they need to protect their shareholders, over facts, what does it make you, beside a monkey willing to do cart wheels over a banana?

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And the alternative to that is to fabricate faults that they do not yet have nor know how to reproduce. They're 100% right in doing the former than going on a wild goose chase.
No, the alternative is prove it.
There are the researches who produced it, they put a paper on it, AMD have bright people (maybe). They can try. At least they can say "we tried". Not "we believe". That statement is basically a "pff, we don't care, we got off easy. we win!".
They are 100% right if you are willing to shut your eyes and play dumb.

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As I said, until you or someone smarter than you can prove otherwise, you're blowing air outta rear.
And until someone prove that they are safe, you are putting yourself on the line. Basically going around with a "punch me" on your back without knowing.
But I understand why you are so angry. I don't believe your favourite firm, so I must be wrong, and they must be right.


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Intel will probably say something like these "We are working with AMD to resolve this issue"

Conveniently dragging AMD along with them just like last time

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Quote: Originally Posted by Defoler View Post
Correction: Nobody has managed to prove at all even up until now.

If AMD tested it, they could have stated "we tested out CPUs based on the article of the vulnerability, and we could not replicated it. We have also reached out to the authors trying to see if they can replicate it on our recent processors".
That is the correct statement to put out.
Anything else is 100% rumour and a PR spin on the issue, nothing else. Not confirmation, not proof. Nothing.
If Zen doesn't allow partial address matches above 11, and the exploit specifically requires CPU architectures that do, how would AMD would playing the PR game in saying their architecture is not impacted by this exploit?

Researchers: Security flaw exploits CPU architectures that perform partial address matches beyond bit 11
AMD: Our Zen architecture is immune from said exploit as it doesn't perform partial address matches beyond bit 11.
You: AMD are playing PR games and can't possibly know if their CPUs are effected

Have I got the gist right?

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If you believe AMD because they need to protect their shareholders, over facts, what does it make you, beside a monkey willing to do cart wheels over a banana?
Lying to the the public, investors and shareholders is a criminal act.

AMD would have to be very confident to state their CPUs are immune to this exploit. Their statement in relation to Spoiler is absolute - we are immune - and if found to be misleading or untrue would have substantial legal implications for AMD. Lying to the market, shareholders and customers is a serious matter.

See what happened to Elon Musk when he lied about privatising Tesla.. .sued by shareholders/investors, investigated by the US Department of Justice and prosecuted by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. That was over some marijuana 420 joke and a BS claim on twitter, lying in company released press statements would be even stupider as this is a vetted statement released to the market and on your company letter head.

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No they are not safer. That is a make believe safer. Like putting a sign "beware dog!" when there is no dog. You only think it is safer. For all intended purposes, they might not be safe and even worse.
You could kepp going until you turn blue in the face and yet, AMD is still safer than Intel. Unless you have evidence to the contrary, you're still blowing air outta rear.

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If you believe AMD because they need to protect their shareholders, over facts, what does it make you, beside a monkey willing to do cart wheels over a banana?
Is that the best excuse you could come up with when talking about the primary responsibility towards shareholders. Lol....talk about a monkey doing cart wheels.


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No, the alternative is prove it.
And the proof is...?

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There are the researches who produced it, they put a paper on it, AMD have bright people (maybe). They can try. At least they can say "we tried". Not "we believe". That statement is basically a "pff, we don't care, we got off easy. we win!".
And what makes you think they didn't try? Lemme guess you know because they didn't consult with you firsthand. Lol


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And until someone prove that they are safe, you are putting yourself on the line. Basically going around with a "punch me" on your back without knowing.
As I said, unless you have valid proof of this flaw being exploitable on AMD, you're just blowing air outta your rear.

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But I understand why you are so angry. I don't believe your favourite firm, so I must be wrong, and they must be right.
You wouldn't like me when I'm hungry.....wait that's angry.

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huzzug just give up.
You cannot argue with Defoler, even when everyone can see the Intel fanboy is once again attacking AMD over nothing that can be proven.
It is a guaranteed that any time theres an Intel and/or AMD thread, Defoler is there defending team Blue and bashing team Red, regardless of context or fact.

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How about you release an article when you confirm that your products are not susceptible?
Are you insane? This is what they just did. Lawyer speak requires the "we believe". Anything else would be pure foolishness.

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A Reminder from AMD: We will continue to copy our competitor's pricing and in the case of our CPUs you've had your warning. Sorry about not giving any on our current GPU release. We are not and never have been the "budget" brand so expect Intel pricing on our next CPUs. By now. Oh, no we don't have any back doors for the CIA like Intel. We promise. By, by.
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Correction: Nobody has managed to prove at all even up until now.

If AMD tested it, they could have stated "we tested out CPUs based on the article of the vulnerability, and we could not replicated it. We have also reached out to the authors trying to see if they can replicate it on our recent processors".
That is the correct statement to put out.
Anything else is 100% rumour and a PR spin on the issue, nothing else. Not confirmation, not proof. Nothing.



AMD are using this as a PR spin to spread unfounded rumours in order to get advantage.

Instead of actually proving it, or giving information about them testing it, we get stuck a "maybe" they are not vulnerable. For all we know, they might be vulnerable, but you will buy a CPU from them based on that maybe, because medias are jumping the hoops.
So this is all PR- no researchers publish a report, the problem doesn't exist. lmao.

If you are slamming AMD for this, YOU have a problem. Especially if you have not publicaly demanded a statement from Intel regarding the "safety" of their processors which have been PROVEN to be vulnerable, with no "patch" possible. Have you?

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This is a pretty amusing thread. I respect the effort given but not even absolute certainty can change a true believers mind, may as well be debating with the people that think the earth is flat.

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