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post #61 of 84 (permalink) Old 03-25-2019, 07:13 AM
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It feels like OCN is basically dead nowadays compared to 8 years ago as well....

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It feels like OCN is basically dead nowadays compared to 8 years ago as well....
Because the idea of overclocking has now changed. There are fewer mods/hacks to do. You basically just buy whatever hw you can afford and you get that level of performance. You want fast, you get 2080 Ti. Overclocking is also dead thanks to technologies GPU Boost, CPU Turbo etc etc.

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Because the idea of overclocking has now changed. There are fewer mods/hacks to do. You basically just buy whatever hw you can afford and you get that level of performance. You want fast, you get 2080 Ti. Overclocking is also dead thanks to technologies GPU Boost, CPU Turbo etc etc.
As someone who feels like they've been lurking for ages, you've nailed this perfectly. Hardware level OC'ing is dead, but damn if the software doesn't do a good job for you.



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As someone who feels like they've been lurking for ages, you've nailed this perfectly. Hardware level OC'ing is dead, but damn if the software doesn't do a good job for you.
What do they say about low-hanging fruits? The last few are way too high up, a.k.a RAM tuning.

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It feels like OCN is basically dead nowadays compared to 8 years ago as well....
That's because it is, and this mess of a forum migration did it no favors.

Other factors like high costs of hardware, changes in overclocking over the past decade or so, and idea that parts are now pretty much "fast enough", overclocking is not what it once meant. Are you still overclocking some mid-range GPU to high-end levels? Or unlocking cores on a CPU and turning your tri-core into a quad core? No. Overclocking these days is more of a hobby to see if you can vs. taking slower parts and making them significantly better to the point they are like the high end parts.

At least that is my perception. Others can correct me if they want to. I don't overclock these days, so more than happy to be proven wrong.

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Lots of solid points, Sir Beregond.

As far as OCN goes, the rep system, or the lack thereof until recently, likely pushed quite a few users away. Twocables just came back after a year hiatus, though there is likely another reason for that one.

Overclocking in general has become less necessary. When you have threadrippers and other high core count processors killing it in multithread as well as having solid single core performance, the need to overclock is becoming less of a necessiity. Not to mention, the increasingly high thermal densities is making it more expensive to cool these processors. Performance is going up, dies are getting smaller, but power consumption has not been going down as much, especially with these intel 14nm fryers. You can't really get far with an air cooler nowadays compared to a custom loop. It's always been that way, but now it's getting to the point where even on mainstream parts you need better than air cooling to keep the processors under control.

Graphics cards are less fun since they're getting locked down now. We can still have some fun with AMD cards by changing the PL tables, but they haven't been really competing with NV very well lately, at least in the high end. The flagship NV cards have to do with bios swaps or hardmods to get up there, and the provisions they have in place makes it a hassle getting anywhere.

Memory has stagnated a good bit. While it's reassuring to see news about G.Skill breaking another record, it takes a golden sample to even reach those speeds, and most of the time it's at timings so bad it's not even worth considering. On the other hand, memory overclocking does do really good things on Ryzen, since IF really benefits from faster ram as well as tight timings.

Media is also changing. People will now go to youtube or reddit for discussion instead of these old antiquated forums While people like linus and PDP have brought tech to the mainstream (I know there are more don't slap me), we lost the detailed analyses in return, especially with some of the noteworthy ones moving over to AMD/Intel/Whathaveyou. The popular tech channels often review parts at a higher level than most veterans are accustomed to, and that's fine for the mainstream who just wants a basic rundown. Though, I may be putting words in people's mouths at this point.

And if you've noticed, there aren't as many review websites getting samples anymore, and some websites won't have a review of a newly released part weeks or months after the launch. It didn't use to be like that. The less exposure, the smaller the footprint, the less attention it gets.

Ultimately, there will still be things to overclock, but the the cost of doing it are higher than it used to be and the gains aren't, which turns this hobby into more of a niche than it used to be. High end cards are really expensive now, processors are getting up there as well, motherboards the same. Thankfully, ram and drives are a lot cheaper now.

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Because the idea of overclocking has now changed. There are fewer mods/hacks to do. You basically just buy whatever hw you can afford and you get that level of performance. You want fast, you get 2080 Ti. Overclocking is also dead thanks to technologies GPU Boost, CPU Turbo etc etc.
Seems like the mod markets have completely stagnated too. The 10+ year old GT15's are still near the top of the heap. Best pumps are still the standard D5, and DDC pumps. Heck the newest EK waterblock is arguably worse than it's predecessor.

Not only is the difference between a well tuned CPU/GPU and one out the box gotten smaller, but the benefits to modding has gotten smaller too. 5 years ago, a custom loop would give you around 25% O/C headroom over the stock air coolers, now it's what, maybe 10%?


I think the 28 NM process was the last stand for the modding/OC community. Since then it's been rapidly going downhill.


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Overclocking may be revived with Speculative Execution being revised and possibly changed so much that our 4GHz will turn into 700MHz chips.
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the warm up to intel DGPU is stronk.

new UI, new employees for nerd tier folks.

or - april fools.

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When Kyle's website initially started advertising a link to his Patreon page,
I browsed his Forum and found a very serious WARNING about a
massive data breach which Patreon's developers had allowed.

Here, I stress that I found that WARNING in Kyle's User Forum.

So, out of concern for Kyle's security and the security of his website,
I re-posted that WARNING at the same User Forum.

Kyle responded viciously by falsely accusing me of attempting
to "F**K UP" his plans to raise funds via Patreon.

That was never my intention, and that thought never
crossed my mind.

He further retaliated by deleting every single Post which
I had authored at his User Forum, and believe me they
numbered in the several hundreds spanning years.

That incident reminded me a lot of a similar incident
that happened at Tom's Hardware:

Many months ago, I merely posted this honest question:
"Is VISTA an acronym for Virtual Instant Surveillance
Tactical Application?"

The moderators at Tom's Hardware immediately
BANNED ME FOR LIFE.

So, I went back in with a pen name, and
ended up being awarded with "BEST SOLUTION"
thirty-three (33) different times.

Bottom Line: some of these self-styled "experts"
need to go back to school and re-study ethics
until they can get a passing grade.


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