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AMD is not going to base their prices based on a random guy on the forums. No idea what you are on about. Thinking the RTX 2060 should be 120$ is extremely unreasonable my dude.

I can agree that all RTX cards are generally way overpriced, but you are detached from reality.
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Currently, a 590 matches the 1660 (performance & $). Both sell @ $230. A hypothetical 690 will be +30% performance of 590 at the same price. If these are Polaris replacements, they wont go over $300. The 1660ti is $280, that is top mid range for nvidia.

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Quote: Originally Posted by zealord View Post
I agree with that. RTX 2070 performance for 399$ and RTX 2060 performance for 299$ would be a good place for AMD to start
If the RVII 331 mm² matches the RTX 2080 545 mm² at about the same transistor count, or x0.61. We can do some napkin math:

Then a die matching the RTX 2070 445 mm² should be less (compute stripped) than 270 mm². I don't think AMD is going to make a die that big for a mid range card.
But the V64 die is 486 mm² and the RX 580 232 mm² or a 1:2 ratio so the RX 680 (or whatever it is called) could easily have the same ratio and going by the latest TPU review a RX 580 is around x0.64 of a V64.
If AMD were to make a 165 mm² (1/2 the RVII) RX 680 (or whatevs) then the performance should be x0.64 of a RVII.
The RVII scores 267% of a GTX 1650 at 1440p in the latest TPU review. If we multiply it by 0.64 it is 170% or GTX 1660 Ti levels which is $280.

Taking in mind that this is still GCN I highly doubt AMD will push a die so close in size to the RVII considering its pricing. If anything, I think that polaris will be around 165 mm² and clocked high enough to match the RTX 2060, still far from the RTX 2070.

So yeah, not really excited about Navi.

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Quote: Originally Posted by keikei View Post
Currently, a 590 matches the 1660 (performance & $). Both sell @ $230. A hypothetical 690 will be +30% performance of 590 at the same price. If these are Polaris replacements, they wont go over $300. The 1660ti is $280, that is top mid range for nvidia.
that would be a disappointment for me, because I need better than that. GTX 1070/Vega 56 is not enough for me

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If the RVII 331 mm² matches the RTX 2080 545 mm² at about the same transistor count, or x0.61. We can do some napkin math:

Then a die matching the RTX 2070 445 mm² should be less (compute stripped) than 270 mm². I don't think AMD is going to make a die that big for a mid range card.
But the V64 die is 486 mm² and the RX 580 232 mm² or a 1:2 ratio so the RX 680 (or whatever it is called) could easily have the same ratio and going by the latest TPU review a RX 580 is around x0.64 of a V64.
If AMD were to make a 165 mm² (1/2 the RVII) RX 680 (or whatevs) then the performance should be x0.64 of a RVII.
The RVII scores 267% of a GTX 1650 at 1440p in the latest TPU review. If we multiply it by 0.64 it is 170% or GTX 1660 Ti levels which is $280.

Taking in mind that this is still GCN I highly doubt AMD will push a die so close in size to the RVII considering its pricing. If anything, I think that polaris will be around 165 mm² and clocked high enough to match the RTX 2060, still far from the RTX 2070.

So yeah, not really excited about Navi.
But the 545mm² RTX 2080 is with RT cores included isn't it?




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But the 545mm² RTX 2080 is with RT cores included isn't it?
The point was to make a ratio of a theoretical RTX 2070 performance matching RX 680. It doesn't matter if it has RT cores or not.

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that would be a disappointment for me, because I need better than that. GTX 1070/Vega 56 is not enough for me
Its not like AMD can't drop a card that performs under Vega 7. The market is wide open in that range. They just need to price it right. Hell, i'd luv for them to launch the entire lineup. Its not like nvidia will have a quick answer to them. Late this month should be interesting to say the least.

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The point was to make a ratio of a theoretical RTX 2070 performance matching RX 680. It doesn't matter if it has RT cores or not.
I mean I am not disagreeing, but Navi should give improvements over Vega/Polaris and maybe even higher clocks. I am not sure if extrapolating from Vega VII gives us a clear picture of what to expect.

I think it would be a huge disappointment if Navi cards didn't even match the GTX 1080 / RTX 2070. I genuinely don't want to buy a RTX 2080 considering it is so expensive and only has 8GB of VRAM.

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Its not like AMD can't drop a card that performs under Vega 7. The market is wide open in that range. They just need to price it right. Hell, i'd luv for them to launch the entire lineup. Its not like nvidia will have a quick answer to them. Late this month should be interesting to say the least.
Oh you two are speaking of the cards that come out first? Do you think it is going to be small midrange parts first like the 570/580 and then later on bigger cards (maybe 2020?)




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I mean I am not disagreeing, but Navi should give improvements over Vega/Polaris and maybe even higher clocks. I am not sure if extrapolating from Vega VII gives us a clear picture of what to expect.

I think it would be a huge disappointment if Navi cards didn't even match the GTX 1080 / RTX 2070. I genuinely don't want to buy a RTX 2080 considering it is so expensive and only has 8GB of VRAM.
I suspect the performance is there, but everything falls on pricing. AMD has a chance to blow nvidia out of the water. Unfortunately, nvidia has shifted the pricing paradigm. It will take a few generations to shift it back...if that happens. Remember when $500 bought you top tier?!

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I suspect the performance is there, but everything falls on pricing. AMD has a chance to blow nvidia out of the water. Unfortunately, nvidia has shifted the pricing paradigm. It will take a few generations to shift it back...if that happens. Remember when $500 bought you top tier?!

Oh yes I very well remember when you could get a GTX 480 / GTX 580 550mm² full fat flagship card for $499. Then they started with the small 294mm² GTX 680 for 500$ and started with the Titan cards for 999$ and Ti versions for 650-700$.

Sadly now we are at RTX 2070 cards at the same price we used to get the ultimate Nvidia flagship for and we need to pay 2499$ for what used to be the GTX 580. 5 times the price is what you get with Nvidia sadly. They want a lot of extra money for the price premium.



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Quote: Originally Posted by zealord View Post
I mean I am not disagreeing, but Navi should give improvements over Vega/Polaris and maybe even higher clocks. I am not sure if extrapolating from Vega VII gives us a clear picture of what to expect.
Well, I considered that the RX 580 is 4th gen GCN and the V64 is 5th gen GCN. If Navi is 6th gen GCN I don't know why should we expect a higher jump from gen to gen. I honestly hope it does a gen jump and clocks much better than the RVII and I mean consistent 2 Ghz (lolz). If it remains at 5th gen I doubt we will even see RTX 2060 performance levels from Navi let alone RTX 2070.

Quote: Originally Posted by zealord View Post
I think it would be a huge disappointment if Navi cards didn't even match the GTX 1080 / RTX 2070. I genuinely don't want to buy a RTX 2080 considering it is so expensive and only has 8GB of VRAM.
I gave up when the RVII showed up. It would be really hard for AMD to launch anything matching the RTX 2070 unless it can easily clock around the 2 Ghz mark. And taking in mind the hot spot problems of the RVII it is almost impossible.

As for me, I'm waiting for the RVII to get some AIB love and see the improvements. If there are none maybe I'll build a custom loop with Zen 2 and RVII on it unless there are new TRs on the horizon and wait yet again.

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