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Well, I considered that the RX 580 is 4th gen GCN and the V64 is 5th gen GCN. If Navi is 6th gen GCN I don't know why should we expect a higher jump from gen to gen. I honestly hope it does a gen jump and clocks much better than the RVII and I mean consistent 2 Ghz (lolz). If it remains at 5th gen I doubt we will even see RTX 2060 performance levels from Navi let alone RTX 2070.



I gave up when the RVII showed up. It would be really hard for AMD to launch anything matching the RTX 2070 unless it can easily clock around the 2 Ghz mark. And taking in mind the hot spot problems of the RVII it is almost impossible.
But isn't Vega really bad and was actually designed as a compute card for Apple products and Navi has been in development for ages and is supposed to be gaming oriented architecture?

And here I am with my 232mm² Navi 7nm GPU expecting a GPU that is as good as RTX 2070 and I consider that to be conservative. I hope I don't fall on my ass



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But isn't Vega really bad and was actually designed as a compute card for Apple products and Navi has been in development for ages and is supposed to be gaming oriented architecture?
The comparison is the same. Polaris and Navi are both gaming GPUs compared to the Vega compute GPUs present in the V64 and RVII.

Again, Navi is still GCN I wouldn't hold my breath for such a huge improvement.

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And here I am with my 232mm² Navi 7nm GPU expecting a GPU that is as good as RTX 2070 and I consider that to be conservative. I hope I don't fall on my ass
Your guess is as good as mine. I'm literally pulling numbers out of thin air.

If anything, I hope I'm wrong and you're right.

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I suspect the performance is there, but everything falls on pricing. AMD has a chance to blow nvidia out of the water. Unfortunately, nvidia has shifted the pricing paradigm. It will take a few generations to shift it back...if that happens. Remember when $500 bought you top tier?!

Oh yes I very well remember when you could get a GTX 480 / GTX 580 550mm&#178; full fat flagship card for $499. Then they started with the small 294mm&#178; GTX 680 for 500$ and started with the Titan cards for 999$ and Ti versions for 650-700$.

Sadly now we are at RTX 2070 cards at the same price we used to get the ultimate Nvidia flagship for and we need to pay 2499$ for what used to be the GTX 580. 5 times the price is what you get with Nvidia sadly. They want a lot of extra money for the price premium.
GPU demand increased compared to before. You also have to remember the Titans now have much more of the features of Teslas. While the GTX 580 didn't have any of the features of the Tesla C2090.

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GPU demand increased compared to before. You also have to remember the Titans now have much more of the features of Teslas. While the GTX 580 didn't have any of the features of the Tesla C2090.
Yes it is true. I was not being completely reasonably in that regard, but still I think it is easy to notice a huge price jump in Nvidia products and the profit they make from each GPU is increasing a lot at the cost of the consumer.
I know they couldn't offer an RTX Titan for $499, but I am certain they could sell an RTX 2080 Ti for 699$ instead of 1200$ and still make a nice 200-300$ from it.



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The comparison is the same. Polaris and Navi are both gaming GPUs compared to the Vega compute GPUs present in the V64 and RVII.

Again, Navi is still GCN I wouldn't hold my breath for such a huge improvement.



Your guess is as good as mine. I'm literally pulling numbers out of thin air.

If anything, I hope I'm wrong and you're right.
I will explain performance diference like this, in bicycle brakes details it is simple but very good comparison.

- Polaris GCN, good V-Brakes

- Navi GCN, very good hydraulic disk brakes

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Oh yes I very well remember when you could get a GTX 480 / GTX 580 550mm² full fat flagship card for $499. Then they started with the small 294mm² GTX 680 for 500$ and started with the Titan cards for 999$ and Ti versions for 650-700$.

Sadly now we are at RTX 2070 cards at the same price we used to get the ultimate Nvidia flagship for and we need to pay 2499$ for what used to be the GTX 580. 5 times the price is what you get with Nvidia sadly. They want a lot of extra money for the price premium.
You don't even have to go back that far. 780ti and 290X were both in that price range iirc


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You don't even have to go back that far. 780ti and 290X were both in that price range iirc
wasn't the 780 Ti like closer to 700$ and the 290X 499$-549$ ? The 290X is actually the card I am still using. Thankfully I have the 4GB 290X instead of the 780 Ti 3GB which basically pays back in dividends for me now still using it at 1440p.
Actually quite insane that I still managed to play Shadow of the Tomb Raider with some mid-high settings tinkering at 1440p with 50-60fps.

But now it is time for an upgrade for me. The 290X is from 2013 and we are in 2019 now. It still boggles my mind how the card is aging and holding up 6 years later



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wasn't the 780 Ti like closer to 700$ and the 290X 499$-549$ ? The 290X is actually the card I am still using. Thankfully I have the 4GB 290X instead of the 780 Ti 3GB which basically pays back in dividends for me now still using it at 1440p.
Actually quite insane that I still managed to play Shadow of the Tomb Raider with some mid-high settings tinkering at 1440p with 50-60fps.

But now it is time for an upgrade for me. The 290X is from 2013 and we are in 2019 now. It still boggles my mind how the card is aging and holding up 6 years later
I think those were the prices when miners were gobbling them all up, but wholesale was something like 599 for the ti and 450 for the 290x give or take. Maybe I'm misremembering here.

290X was, and still is, a fantastic card. Still have mine around somewhere. Getting both of them in crossfire to 1150 mhz was one of my favorite overclocking moments lol.


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I paid $650 for top tier before I paid $500 for top tier, the prices have gone up and down multiple times. The cards you guys are talking about were actually a low point in pricing, which is what I hope we are heading towards (History, please repeat yourself). Hopefully the 2080ti turns out to be like the 8800 GTX Ultra, although it's way better for the price increase than the Ultra was.

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