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So, they couldn't get past 14nm for an eternity and now they claim they're going to rush to 7nm in just 2 years?

Both their fab prowess and architecture are standing on their last legs.
To be fair, they did have the most advanced fabs on the planet up until very recently. It's not like they just suddenly forgot how to fab with 10nm. They got too ambitious combined with mismanagement.

Assuming the mismanagement got corrected, after all the lessons learned from 10nm by their engineers, 7nm and beyond should be smooth sailing.


The same holds true for their architectures. They did build the best architecture not too long ago, so the know-how is obviously there and their R&D budget is still way more than anyone else, so as long as they can fix the mismanagement, they can easily rebound with something superior to Ryzen in the future.



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So, they couldn't get past 14nm for an eternity and now they claim they're going to rush to 7nm in just 2 years?

Both their fab prowess and architecture are standing on their last legs.
To be fair, they did have the most advanced fabs on the planet up until very recently. It's not like they just suddenly forgot how to fab with 10nm. They got too ambitious combined with mismanagement.

Assuming the mismanagement got corrected, after all the lessons learned from 10nm by their engineers, 7nm and beyond should be smooth sailing.


The same holds true for their architectures. They did build the best architecture not too long ago, so the know-how is obviously there and their R&D budget is still way more than anyone else, so as long as they can fix the mismanagement, they can easily rebound with something superior to Ryzen in the future.
Ocean Cove(Next Gen) is scheduled for 2021-2022 after Golden Cove. They hired Jim Keller around the same time they had a job opening regarding their Ocean Cove project.

Ice Lake-U(Based off of Sunny Cove) improved upon IPC. They claimed up to 25 hours of battery life during video playback on a single charge.

Can't wait to see Ryzen U vs Ice Lake-U.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12709...meets-laptop/6

Take it with a grain of salt but we do see multiple leaked Ice Lake-U benchmarks on Geekbench: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/12472642

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Quote: Originally Posted by Imouto View Post
So, they couldn't get past 14nm for an eternity and now they claim they're going to rush to 7nm in just 2 years?

Both their fab prowess and architecture are standing on their last legs.
It depends on what their hangup with 10nm is. AS long as they don't have to resolve it for 7nm I would expect them to move on rather quickly.

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It depends on what their hangup with 10nm is. AS long as they don't have to resolve it for 7nm I would expect them to move on rather quickly.
One of the 3 main issues is quad patterning, and that is being resolved with the move to EUV in 7nm.

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Not any concern until r3 is dated.....as others have noted this info seems to be preemptive move to r3 launch to keep those who prefer intel waiting and not switching over.
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The biggest thing I am reading in this is that Intel admits there is a problem. You cant fix something unless you recognise it.

The rest sounds great, but intel is renowned for blowing hot air. They need to deliver on some of those objectives to regain a lot of lost credibility.

Intel is known for blowing hot air you say? I couldn't tell what with the boiling hot CPU temps people have dealt with over the past 2 years.

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Intel is known for blowing hot air you say? I couldn't tell what with the boiling hot CPU temps people have dealt with over the past 2 years.
What a method to get enthusiast to void their warranties by removing the IHS instead of killing their chips via overclocking which they wouldn't have been able to figure out. I'm still going to stick with Intel because they know how to make interconnects that can connect up to 28 cores without increasing latency drastically.

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Project mismanaged and still competing with a chip twice the size... I think everything will be fine considering that AMD has come out of its shell, molted, and has grown an even fancier new shell.

Intel n nv have had no reason to not be total snobs and cash grabbers, n that time has finally come to a visual end. The worst possible outcome would be intel falling like AMD did, and they’re not gonna let that happen. Thus we get that thing we’ve been waiting for. Decent competition! All gamers will benefit, console, mobile, and even those pesky PC gamers.
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What a method to get enthusiast to void their warranties by removing the IHS instead of killing their chips via overclocking which they wouldn't have been able to figure out. I'm still going to stick with Intel because they know how to make interconnects that can connect up to 28 cores without increasing latency drastically.
If that interconnect latency is mission critical, then sure, go for it. Otherwise, getting a 64 core chip for the same price as that monolithic 28 core chip might be the way to go.


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Source: https://www.anandtech.com/show/14312...d-technologies



Intel has me excited! So glad AMD and the other FABs woke a sleeping giant.
Intel makes crap up then does whatever profits them most when the time comes.

Like the lies about the 10nm not working out.
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