Originally Posted by pgdeaner
So Lisa Su shows an engineering sample and every AMD fan ****s their pants in joy and declares Lisa Su as the next Jesus Christ.
Intel samples an ES and everyone is like "It doesn't mean anything. Intel lies all the time. They will never ship anything. Their 10nm is completely broken."
This forum is better than comedy central.
Because Lisa showed us a chip, then ran a benchmark on another
chip that performed decently so that we know it's at least competitive and working already. Meanwhile, Intel has just said they're sampling with zero real evidence and has a proven history of lying about this kind of thing for many, many, many years, or just being shady in general. (eg. When AMD beat them to the 1Ghz mark, they quickly announced a 1Ghz Pentium III that didn't see proper volume production to the point where you could easily get one until a year
after it came out, or y'know, the first 10nm chips they launched. This could easily work with Ice Lake too: Very low scale production but with an actual release so that they can point to that and say "See? We're selling 10nm!" despite it not really being that comparable to what AMD is doing on 7nm.)
Very different scenarios, you might notice. Besides, Intel has kinda made their own bed in regards to PR with how they constantly push things a little more in their favour whenever they get the chance regardless of whether it negatively effects the PC market as a whole.
Originally Posted by Redwoodz
Intel has never ever been behind fab processes until now.
Actually, Intel was behind at one point but it was a blip on the timeline due to the much smaller scale of their issues back then. (They had problems with getting enough chips made for sale while trying to move from 0.18micron to 0.13micron, ending up with AMD getting chips on 0.13micron out first.)
Given what happened back then, or when 10nm first had issues...I'm expecting the new 10nm chips to be a bit of a paper launch (ie. Very few actual products being sold) with proper production coming about later on. It took them around a year with the 1Ghz Pentium III when they last had foundry problems, and they would not want to put that on a public slide and basically say "We're not really going to be able to fully compete for x amount of time", hence this news piece.