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Maybe in the rush to get something published quicker than the competition they overlooked some information.

What really raises an eyebrow from me is how many Intel advocating gamers I am seeing that are now hailing Ryzen 2 as an end all-be-all savior. Something doesn't seem right here.


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Maybe in the rush to get something published quicker than the competition they overlooked some information.

What really raises an eyebrow from me is how many Intel advocating gamers I am seeing that are now hailing Ryzen 2 as an end all-be-all savior. Something doesn't seem right here.

Where are you seeing it? Are you talking about high profile gamers or OCN in general?




Edit: TechSpot did its homework properly: https://www.techspot.com/news/80081-another-speculative-execution-exploit-affects-intel-core-cpus.html



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From the source article: "What does this mean for the average user? There’s no need to panic, for one.
These are far from drive-by exploits where an attacker can take over your computer in an instant. Gruss said it was “easier than Spectre” but “more difficult than Meltdown” to exploit — and both required a specific set of skills and effort to use in an attack.
But if exploit code was compiled in an app or delivered as malware, “we can run an attack,” he said.
There are far easier ways to hack into a computer and steal data."

So these performance degrading mitigations are less effective at protection for a typical home user than Malwarebytes and uac? Those hardly hurt performance at all.

I'll probably stick with build 1709 or 1803 as a last resort until this stuff gets settled out.

Still worried about it with the companies I have financial dealings with though.

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I can't wait for this thread to turn into a bunch of people who think that they are smarter than the engineers at Intel
I counted 10 universities and a security consultancy with their fingers in this pie, collaboratively they probably are smarter than Intel engineers, and they should be. What's important is that this collaborative effort that could only be achieved by a reasonably large group of research institutions is shared with all of us so we don't actually need to be smarter than Intel to exploit it.


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Where are you seeing it? Are you talking about high profile gamers or OCN in general?




Edit: TechSpot did its homework properly: https://www.techspot.com/news/80081-another-speculative-execution-exploit-affects-intel-core-cpus.html
I will have to read the techspot article tomorrow. I am curious to know how this will affect the i7-8750H CPU.

This was one of the discussion threads I scanned through where the consensus seems pretty harshly against Intel.

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comme...ing_bcause_of/

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Quote: Originally Posted by speed_demon View Post
I will have to read the techspot article tomorrow. I am curious to know how this will affect the i7-8750H CPU.

This was one of the discussion threads I scanned through where the consensus seems pretty harshly against Intel.

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comme...ing_bcause_of/
People have the right to be upset at this stuff, they paid good money for their CPUs, so I see no conspiracy. Intel brought this upon themselves.

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This is unbelievable. Coffee lake is looking like roadkill now.


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These are not flaws or bugs as being reported but designed as intended and smart people outside the big brother circle ignorantly catch these "flaws" sometime years down the road and the jig is up temporarily before they either design a new flaw or continue to use yet still undetected flaws. It's in every chip designed from Intel, AMD, Qualcomm, Samsung, Nvidia etc...

For those that think they can hide using AMD... there is NO where to hide.

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There is a reason why Intel came up with the i7 9700K.

There are ways to protect clients' data in your systems at home. Really depends how ethical you are. Problem is, how about our stuff in the cloud?

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I guess this is what intel are now playing for some of their design, which is meant to speed up cross processing and reduce internal latency.
This could be the main reason why they had such a higher IPC than AMD for the last decade, by cutting so many corners which are how being revealed.
I don't know if they new about every vulnerability they have, or considered some of the possible attacks.

I won't the price of fixing it all, considering AMD are now gaining up on IPC and on clock speeds.

TBF I'm happy that I hadn't upgraded for such a long time.

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These are not flaws or bugs as being reported but designed as intended and smart people outside the big brother circle ignorantly catch these "flaws" sometime years down the road and the jig is up temporarily before they either design a new flaw or continue to use yet still undetected flaws. It's in every chip designed from Intel, AMD, Qualcomm, Samsung, Nvidia etc...

For those that think they can hide using AMD... there is NO where to hide.


That is true.
When they made CPUs 10 years ago, they hadn't considered or knew that web browser scripts would be allowed or find a way to use some of the complicated mechanics.
With new things being allowed and designed, security is a lot of times being left behind.
I mean, a site running a script to mine on your system, who would have thought it would be possible 10 years ago when they designed the web browser security? Now it appear as a "bug".

The development of software that we use, should be just as guilty of the existence of those vulnerabilities, as they allow them to happen without considering the security of what they allow to happen.



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