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post #11 of 48 (permalink) Old 05-21-2019, 04:08 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Liranan View Post
Samsung do exist, as do Oppo, Xiaomi, Nokia, ZTE, Blackberry, Asus, LG, Sony, LG and heaps of others. What do they have to do with Huawei being the biggest telecoms company in the world?

I hope that Huawei can make their OS competitive with Android as I want to see Google's monopoly broken.
It'll depend on which metric you are measuring of course but Samsung is generally considered to be the largest smartphone manufacturer which I believe is the most relevant to the OS conversation. In fact Samsung has occupied the #1 slot for a number of years now. Hauwai has occupied #2 since 2Q18 up from #3 due to a mix of massive growth and Apple sales plummeting for 2/3Q18.

Edit: I missed that Apple regained #2 slot in 4Q18 and barely held it for year end totals. They get a big xmas boost it seems.
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Can't imagine Huawei's going to weather this very well

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I don't think people here understand how Android works or how the Google ban affects Huawei. They can still use AOSP, anybody can. I can make phones in my basement and use AOSP if I want which is almost a carbon copy of the stock Android Google phones ship with. There is nothing stopping Huawei form using Android past, present or future, ban or not, Android is an open source project.

There is no need to reinvent the wheel with your own OS, just as Google and AOSP used the Linux kernel as there was no need to reinvent the wheel and create their own kernel.

What people don't seem to get is that "Android" isn't really what makes a lot of peoples phones tick, it's the Google Services Framework/Google Play Services, Google Cloud Messaging, various Google background services, etc.

If you ever run true pure Android from something like an AOSP based rom, you will realize that when running just stock pure 100% Android your phone is pretty gimped. I mean I use a phone running pure Android without any Google services but I'm the exception.

Pure Android without Google Services Framework in the background means almost nothing works, all the apps and services people use their phone for don't work. Uber, food delivery services, instant messaging apps, map apps, whether apps, ALL those things rely on being able to hit Google API's. If your phone isn't "certified" and Google doesn't allow the OEM to ship with all the background Google services you cannot hit those API's and your phone is severely gimped. In the custom rom community we would say your phone is now "debloated" and a lot faster and now spyware free but for most people it would be a gimped phone that now does nothing that they are used to being able to do.

They either need to find a workaround to be able to continue to hit Google API's (e.g. microG) OR design their own background Google services as they already have in China as Chinese phones in China do not ship with all the background Google services installed. Nobody in North America though will want to use the Chinese equivalent to Google services.

Unless they want to open their own suite of tools to compete with ALL of Googles services here in North America, they are basically dead in the water. Making their own OS does not solve that.

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Another example of people in positions of power flexing their personal will to assure they don't see any real competition. There has been zero credible evidence, that I am aware of as of writing, to suggest Huawei has done anything to warrant these actions. Not to mention it would be a "Pot meet Kettle" situation given the issues with Lenovo, Asus, and Microsoft outright joining Prism and other blacklist operations.

This is nothing more than a scenario where Huawei was going to come in with products that were as good, or better, than what we usually get here and at a fraction of the price. As a person sitting here with an iPhone X (upgraded from 5s) I can say that if we had true competition in this county this phone wouldn't have cost $1200.

This is an oligopoly protecting itself and using Red Baiting to do it.

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Quote: Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post
Another example of people in positions of power flexing their personal will to assure they don't see any real competition. There has been zero credible evidence, that I am aware of as of writing, to suggest Huawei has done anything to warrant these actions. Not to mention it would be a "Pot meet Kettle" situation given the issues with Lenovo, Asus, and Microsoft outright joining Prism and other blacklist operations.

This is nothing more than a scenario where Huawei was going to come in with products that were as good, or better, than what we usually get here and at a fraction of the price. As a person sitting here with an iPhone X (upgraded from 5s) I can say that if we had true competition in this county this phone wouldn't have cost $1200.

This is an oligopoly protecting itself and using Red Baiting to do it.

"Run! The Commies are coming!"

Sad.
I was thinking the same thing as well. I would sure as crap bet that Huewei has hardware backdoors and I don't support it but so does Qualcom, Lenovo, Asus, Microsoft, Google, Intel, IBM, etc. They aren't exactly squeaky clean actors on that front either so why all the hate all of a sudden?

Maybe the Chinese backdoored phones while vulnerable to Chinese espionage AREN'T vulnerable to U.S. espionage/backdooors? The other thing I was thinking is like you said, Huawei was coming in with flagship killers, flagship phones for half the price and Apple/Google/Samsung and all the other big players didn't like it.

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Another example of people in positions of power flexing their personal will to assure they don't see any real competition. There has been zero credible evidence, that I am aware of as of writing, to suggest Huawei has done anything to warrant these actions. Not to mention it would be a "Pot meet Kettle" situation given the issues with Lenovo, Asus, and Microsoft outright joining Prism and other blacklist operations.

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This is an oligopoly protecting itself and using Red Baiting to do it.

"Run! The Commies are coming!"

Sad.
Many European countries have raised similar concerns as well, which a cursory search would show you.

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Many European countries have raised similar concerns as well, which a cursory search would show you.
No European country has banned Huawei from their market. The only country to have done so is the US and this won't end well as Huawei already have their own Kirin custom chips and aren't dependent on Google.

When you sanction the entire world you in effect sanction yourself. Thus Trump, thinkng he's some great businessman, has gone to war with the US itself.

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No European country has banned Huawei from their market. The only country to have done so is the US and this won't end well as Huawei already have their own Kirin custom chips and aren't dependent on Google.

When you sanction the entire world you in effect sanction yourself. Thus Trump, thinkng he's some great businessman, has gone to war with the US itself.
Pretty much.

US vs China eco war. Now don't get me wrong I'm no fan of everything moving away to cheaper and cheaper labor countries to a point where it's cheaper to import from other side of globe... But this eco war is ridiculous. There are better ways to promote companies and jobs in a country other than banning/taxing/etc. imports from certain other countries.

It has backfired before, it is doing it again and it continues. Politicians and voters never learn.
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Considering the ban has been halted and Huawei already announced they're ramping up the investment in competing products, this will probably only work to strengthen the chinese brand.

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Considering the ban has been halted and Huawei already announced they're ramping up the investment in competing products, this will probably only work to strengthen the chinese brand.
90-day period is probably designed to help soften the blow to US suppliers if the ban actually happens in August. Huawei being forced to use their own OS is far more likely to make them irrelevant outside of China rather than actually competing against Android platform. Though I expect some kind of resolution to US v China trade war will occur before the actual ban happens.

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