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Can China and Huawei strong arm the market by aggressively pricing flagship phones (50% cheaper?), beating all specs and quality and selling everywhere else except the US to lure majority of the world's phone consumers or will that just destroy the profit margins of the industry in a short time where Samsung, Apple, et al will lower prices too and eventually a lose-lose environment for all of them?
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Though I expect some kind of resolution to US v China trade war will occur before the actual ban happens.
I agree. Though, given Trump's apparent concerns and Huawei's structure, it's hard to imagine how such a compromise would materialize.

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Considering the ban has been halted and Huawei already announced they're ramping up the investment in competing products, this will probably only work to strengthen the chinese brand.
I read it that the software ban was lifted as parts are still banned. So Qualcomm and Micron parts are still banned.

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The company is still prohibited from buying American parts and components to manufacture new products without license approvals that likely will be denied.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/21/us-e...operating.html

Do US companies even have a choice to halt sales to Huawei? Some of these headlines make it seem like Google, etc made the voluntary choice to stop sales.


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Can China and Huawei strong arm the market by aggressively pricing flagship phones (50% cheaper?), beating all specs and quality and selling everywhere else except the US to lure majority of the world's phone consumers or will that just destroy the profit margins of the industry in a short time where Samsung, Apple, et al will lower prices too and eventually a lose-lose environment for all of them?

That is called "dumping" and is supposed to be illegal although it the law is almost never enforced. The Japanese started doing it to us in 1978 then around a decade later the Chinese started doing it too. The "free trade" types did nothing. The last time I recall anyone doing anything about dumping was when China bankrupted American solar panel manufacturer Solyndra. President Obama hit China with punitive tariffs and fines but it was after the fact. That factory is now making Teslas.

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[TPU] ARM Revokes Huawei's Chip IP Licence

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This time, UK based ARM Holdings, the provider of mobile chip IP for nearly all smartphones and tablets, has revoked the license it has given Huawei.

According to the BBC, ARM Holdings employees were instructed to suspend all interactions with Huawei, and to send a note informing Huawei that "due to an unfortunate situation, they were not allowed to provide support, deliver technology (whether software, code, or other updates), engage in technical discussions, or otherwise discuss technical matters with Huawei, HiSilicon or any of the other named entities." The news came from an internal ARM document the BBC has obtained.

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Many European countries have raised similar concerns as well, which a cursory search would show you.
Oh, you mean the same people that said SuperMicro had "rice grain sized" backdoor chips, planted by the Chinese, on their enterprise motherboards, when there was zero evidence to support that claim? That group of people you are holding up as some bastion of good faith?

Let's be real here folks....

If you want to sell any device in the USA/North America that has any potential to generate an RF signal, you have to register that with the FCC. Not just register it, but you have to prove to them it complies with a host of regulations. Part of this process is a detailed breakdown of the specifications, submitting review samples for validation, etc. It is actually incredibly difficult to sneak a backdoor in at the level they are trying to claim, which is the State level!

More reasons this is bogus?

  • The U.S. State Dept. uses custom phones that go through their internal labs to insure they aren't compromised if the person with the device is privy to sensitive enough information. Meaning a hardware backdoor from Huawei would be; a) caught b) useless c) waste of time.
  • If adversarial State actors wanted to spy on any person of the general public, there are a Hell of a lot cheaper, easier, and faster ways to accomplish that goal. Ones that do not require entire hardware supply chains to be created! They would just use software.
  • When has our Government ever given a rat's ass about the individual citizens privacy? Yet, here they are screaming "We are trying to protect YOUR privacy!"

Just as in the case with SuperMicro, there has been ZERO credible evidence to suggest that Huawei poses any threat to the general public, at all.

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A bit more soap-boxing on this subject.....

To this day the most effective ways of compromising a system is simply via Social Engineering and Phishing. That is the first thing you do, every time, because it works so often. Only when those fail do more exotic methods come out, especially something as exotic as hardware backdoors on devices that are being shotgunned into the wild, with no specific target. That is an incredibly expensive, messy, and inefficient way of collecting intelligence. It just isn't going to happen, especially not with all the mess strewn about by IoT devices. You want to talk about security concerns? Look at the "IoT" ecosystem and the damages it is causing to InfoSec.

Frankly, IoT is so bad these days it may have even bumped SE and Phishing from the top of the attack vectors.

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"due to an unfortunate situation" is a nice, vague way of describing what's kind of obvious.

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There you go, the Anglo-Saxon world has proven it can't be trusted when it comes to business. Now this gives the Chinese a real impetus to create a competing product. While this will cause a lot of problems for Huawei in the end it will speed up the demise of the already irrelevant Western world.

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Can China and Huawei strong arm the market by aggressively pricing flagship phones (50% cheaper?), beating all specs and quality and selling everywhere else except the US to lure majority of the world's phone consumers or will that just destroy the profit margins of the industry in a short time where Samsung, Apple, et al will lower prices too and eventually a lose-lose environment for all of them?
Well, even if they could legal do that, it won't really work.

The majority of samsung and apple markets are not in china. Apple barely hold 10% in china, samsung less than 5%.
In europe, chinese makers hold around 32%, most of it is non flagship phones.

So even if they reduce prices and go for broke, the european market won't go nuts and drop everything and buy their phones.
And in the US, they don't sell anyway. In SA, africa and other asia market, hauwei isn't largely represented as well. Xiaomi does, but those markets are still barely taping their potential.

So even if they could legally, it would only upset the lawmakers more than their competitors. Apple and samsung would most likely enjoy that, as they could then use that for their PR to bash huawei.


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So when they gonna say Levono is a security risk and ban Lenovo all together?

btw, they did back in 2006:

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/23/w...novo.html?_r=0

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