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I'm going to watch it just to see.

The 'high power draw' one is the most laughable.

I just don't see why they would talk more about the CPU at E3. GPU, maybe, but E3 is mostly about gaming and 4k / VR performance is what most people care about being shown.
I see the it very same way. High power draw makes no sense because AMD showed a Ryzen 3000 beating the 9900K at lower power draw.
E3 makes more sense for navi graphics cards I agree with that too.

Like I said this is just rumors from multiple sources and nothing is even remotely verified.

Only thing that has me worried (in those rumors and whispers floating around) is that AMD stays with the same core configuration for the 3600/3700 as they have with 2600/2700 CPUs and the "not-as-high-as-hoped" clockspeeds.

But I hope it is all just rubbish



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Quote: Originally Posted by SoloCamo View Post
I'm going to watch it just to see.

The 'high power draw' one is the most laughable.

I just don't see why they would talk more about the CPU at E3. GPU, maybe, but E3 is mostly about gaming and 4k / VR performance is what most people care about being shown.
Yeah, sorry but if he didn’t want to be quoted he shouldn’t have said something so ridiculous.

If core counts and clockspeeds are the same, and it’s 7nm, it would be at roughly 1/2 power consumption compared to last gen...

Never mind the fact that we’ve already seen 12c and 16c parts running on X570 boards or anything. All just a myth.

It’s possible they might only show limited information at computed, but the launch is still going to be 7/7 as we’ve all kind of assumed.

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I see the it very same way. High power draw makes no sense because AMD showed a Ryzen 3000 beating the 9900K at lower power draw.
E3 makes more sense for navi graphics cards I agree with that too.

Like I said this is just rumors from multiple sources and nothing is even remotely verified.

Only thing that has me worried (in those rumors and whispers floating around) is that AMD stays with the same core configuration for the 3600/3700 as they have with 2600/2700 CPUs and the "not-as-high-as-hoped" clockspeeds.

But I hope it is all just rubbish
If there’s no TR this year, they could use different naming schemes

3600 6 core
3700 8 core
3800 12 core
3900 16 core

That’s just an example, they could also do

3500 6 core
3600 8 core
3700 12 core
3800 16 core

Or literally any number they want-

What matters is the product and pricing, I could care less if they decided to call this generation of Ryzen 69X420 as long as it’s competitive in single core performance and offers many cores

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If there’s no TR this year, they could use different naming schemes

3600 6 core
3700 8 core
3800 12 core
3900 16 core

That’s just an example, they could also do

3500 6 core
3600 8 core
3700 12 core
3800 16 core

Or literally any number they want-

What matters is the product and pricing, I could care less if they decided to call this generation of Ryzen 69X420 as long as it’s competitive in single core performance and offers many cores
Good post and I agree very much with what you are saying.

In the end it comes down to price and what you get for it and not the naming.

Personally I am just hoping for a nice 8c/16t CPU with good clockspeeds that has a reasonable IPC gain from Ryzen2000 and isn't too expensive.

Perfect for me would be a $300 AMD CPU that rivals the $480 Intel i9 9900K, but how realistic that is I can't say right now. Will see soon (I hope)



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The 300 watt chip? At the 3 minute mark he says roughly it's confirmed there will be a 16 core CPU, which are at present pushing at towards 300W on air (under water).

I don't believe any 9900k would come remotely close to 300W to run 5ghz

would be hilarious if the 95W @ 4.7Ghz chip went up to 300W for 5ghz. Intel would be meme of the century.
Wut?

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But power becomes more of an issue in some productivity applications because a constant load on all cores at high clock rates is almost too much. And to be clear, the Core i9-9900K gets super hot faced with Prime95 and AVX instructions (205W stock, 250W overclocked), exceeding the specified TDP.

We measured 137W (232W) during the Cinebench test, and we topped 145W (241W overclocked) under the larger Blender workload. We even pushed past 120W (198W overclocked) with various CAD plug-ins for Creo and SolidWorks. The limits of normal all-in-one compact water cooling solutions are in sight during standard operation at 4.7 GHz on all cores, but you can easily overwhelm cheaper AIOs during overclocking.


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And yes that's cpu only, not total system. Granted the 250w is prime avx, but still, 232w for Cinebench and 241 for Blender. I would qualify that as remotely close.

Given that Steve specifically said "we have some new information on overclocking" before saying 300w was the upward bound it was pulling under water, I would guess that means the 16 core was pulling 300w overclocked. I'd say that's pretty good (depending on what the clocks were of course).

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Good post and I agree very much with what you are saying.

In the end it comes down to price and what you get for it and not the naming.

Personally I am just hoping for a nice 8c/16t CPU with good clockspeeds that has a reasonable IPC gain from Ryzen2000 and isn't too expensive.

Perfect for me would be a $300 AMD CPU that rivals the $480 Intel i9 9900K, but how realistic that is I can't say right now. Will see soon (I hope)
Right there with you buddy, still sitting on my 4790k and thinking the exact same thing, 9900k performance in the $349 or less range. I would have been a 9700k buyer until they yanked HT. If ryzen 3000 is really equal or better to a 9900k though, we'll probably be seeing $450+ for a while, but we'll get the low prices sooner than later.

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If a TR2 16 core can OC to 4.2ghz and gulp up to 300 watts (OC), I think it would be reasonable to assume that a supposed 300 watt behemoth on 7nm would very conservatively be pushing 4.6ghz or better (unless there's some massive architectural change dropping clocks but raising IPC massively). I'd just buy a 2950x and be done with it if a new chip with a default TDP almost twice the 2950x didn't absolutely annihilate the 2950x.

That said, I'm feeling pretty confident we'll be getting the IPC and Frequency bump we've been waiting for from Ryzen. I can't wait to see what comes in the 6, 8, and 12 core SKUs

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And yes that's cpu only, not total system. Granted the 250w is prime avx, but still, 232w for Cinebench and 241 for Blender. I would qualify that as remotely close.

Given that Steve specifically said "we have some new information on overclocking" before saying 300w was the upward bound it was pulling under water, I would guess that means the 16 core was pulling 300w overclocked. I'd say that's pretty good (depending on what the clocks were of course).
I think we're going from confused to more confused here, sorry. My original post was 300 watts talking about what was said in the gamer's nexus video. Ozlay asked if he was talking about the 9900ks (that's how I understood it at least). I also assumed nexus was talking about ryzen 16 core.

Impressive amount of power going through the 9900k though, thanks for that post. It's still significantly less than 300 watts, but I redact the remote comment

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Right there with you buddy, still sitting on my 4790k and thinking the exact same thing, 9900k performance in the $349 or less range. I would have been a 9700k buyer until they yanked HT. If ryzen 3000 is really equal or better to a 9900k though, we'll probably be seeing $450+ for a while, but we'll get the low prices sooner than later.

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That said, I'm feeling pretty confident we'll be getting the IPC and Frequency bump we've been waiting for from Ryzen. I can't wait to see what comes in the 6, 8, and 12 core SKUs
I mean whatever it will end up as it will make a gigantic leap from my i5 2500K

I would also be ready to pay a bit more if it means I get something really juicy and the only thing that matters for me is gaming performance. So lets say a rumored 16c/32t 4.2GHZ CPU is not as interesting as a CPU with fewer cores but higher clockspeed.

Not too big a fan of the I9 9900K because it is extremely hot, expensive and power hungry. Living in europe also means I pay nearly 3x the electricity prices compared to US



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In order to be successful AMD needs to fine tune their release. Aim too high and it might be bad for profits and / or their image, aim too low and they don't make enough of an impact. That's the dilemma right now. How high can they clock Zen 2 on the current 7nm process? That's the big question, because that will to an extent dictate what they have to release right now to make an impact.

Intel doesn't have anything to counter a 16 core mainstream-ish part, only a 10 core at most on the ring bus, more than that and it will be akin to Skylake-X and not as good for gaming. Besides, does mainstream really need a 16 core CPU right now? In my opinion it's too soon and the performance and power efficiency for a mainstream part is probably not there yet.

A 12 core will thus do for now at the high-end if the performance is there, at say $499. That also keeps their profits reasonable.

The 9900K competitor can come in at $329 for the low power, non X version, and $399 for the X one.

If I were AMD I would wait for 7nm EUV to release the 16 core part, it will improve performance by 10% or bring a 15% efficiency improvement according to this article, and they can thus wait for Intel's Ice Lake and respond at a more leisurely pace and fine tune things with time.



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So is 5GHz (out of the box boost) not happening on any of the parts? Not even with 6C?


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