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post #571 of 709 (permalink) Old 06-11-2019, 05:37 PM
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I am satisfied and also disappointed by AMD new products. It's great that AMD is forcing Intel to innovate again and update there architecture for real. The sad thing with the recent AMD launch is that they are following Intel and Nvidia in trying to maximize profits. I find X570 rumored pricing to be even bigger concern. AMD is suppose to make computers much cheaper not about the same.

If this was the 90's era, the ryzen 3000 entry level apu would have been at least 6core/12thread CPU at say 100USD and the motherboard would be very affordable too. The top probably would have been an 36 core variant at reasonable price. If AMD had done so, we would see big changes in software/game development. Its really looking like we need China/Russia to catch up and produce competing products that they are willing to dump high end products on the market at low prices so everyone can enjoy the benefits of 8cores and beyond. Otherwise, we are just stuck with the current technology is enough for current usages argument.

I miss the old days where say the top GPU/CPU would become the entry level next-gen GPU/CPU and the top would actually be significant better (50%+). The world was also much nicer place politically and people treated people with much more respect and care. Now, its so common to meet people that only care about themselves and how you can benefit me.

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I am satisfied and also disappointed by AMD new products. It's great that AMD is forcing Intel to innovate again and update there architecture for real. The sad thing with the recent AMD launch is that they are following Intel and Nvidia in trying to maximize profits. I find X570 rumored pricing to be even bigger concern. AMD is suppose to make computers much cheaper not about the same.

If this was the 90's era, the ryzen 3000 entry level apu would have been at least 6core/12thread CPU at say 100USD and the motherboard would be very affordable too. The top probably would have been an 36 core variant at reasonable price. If AMD had done so, we would see big changes in software/game development. Its really looking like we need China/Russia to catch up and produce competing products that they are willing to dump high end products on the market at low prices so everyone can enjoy the benefits of 8cores and beyond. Otherwise, we are just stuck with the current technology is enough for current usages argument.

I miss the old days where say the top GPU/CPU would become the entry level next-gen GPU/CPU and the top would actually be significant better (50%+). The world was also much nicer place politically and people treated people with much more respect and care. Now, its so common to meet people that only care about themselves and how you can benefit me.
Do you want AMD to stay where they are barely making any profits at all?

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Do you want AMD to stay where they are barely making any profits at all?
Apparently, most people here think AMD is a charity. Also AMD themselves said they don't want to be known as a value brand.

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3950x is a halo product and intel won't have anything even close to counter that.

Amd knows they can charge 749 for it and thats fine its overkill for 98% of people.

The 3900x will be a great gamer/streamer chip and some workload stuff on the side. I suspect this will be popular for high end builds.

3700x/3800x is main prime time gamer chip. And will be the most popular by far.
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Flagship products are usually priced quite a bit higher than the bread and butter models in most consumer facing industries.

And as a plus if somebody buys a new R7 and it's not quite cutting it after a few months, they have an easy low-hassle upgrade option available.

I'd expect the 3700x to sell by the truck load as many people are waiting for a compelling upgrade to their 4+ year old systems & those on first gen. Zen will have enough of a boost to make the cost worthwhile. And this hits a nice sweet spot for price/performance.


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That being said, excited to be getting rid of x299 myself. Going to take big loss but trying to keep x299 cooled was getting out of hand and annoying. My temperature playing in frostbyte engine games were easily hitting 80+ degrees. I know its common bug with intel cpus bit my setup shouldnt hit 80degrees unless bench marking. That and intel security patches taking performance hit after performance hit did it in for me.

There are lot of ppl on ocn looking for charity cases unfortunately. I'm not one of them though, its actually hilarious sometimes. I am getting an laugh just now when i mention i'm possibly giving away an caselabs but its very likely an year away or something could delay it.

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I am satisfied and also disappointed by AMD new products. It's great that AMD is forcing Intel to innovate again and update there architecture for real. The sad thing with the recent AMD launch is that they are following Intel and Nvidia in trying to maximize profits. I find X570 rumored pricing to be even bigger concern. AMD is suppose to make computers much cheaper not about the same.

If this was the 90's era, the ryzen 3000 entry level apu would have been at least 6core/12thread CPU at say 100USD and the motherboard would be very affordable too. The top probably would have been an 36 core variant at reasonable price. If AMD had done so, we would see big changes in software/game development. Its really looking like we need China/Russia to catch up and produce competing products that they are willing to dump high end products on the market at low prices so everyone can enjoy the benefits of 8cores and beyond. Otherwise, we are just stuck with the current technology is enough for current usages argument.

I miss the old days where say the top GPU/CPU would become the entry level next-gen GPU/CPU and the top would actually be significant better (50%+). The world was also much nicer place politically and people treated people with much more respect and care. Now, its so common to meet people that only care about themselves and how you can benefit me.
AMD needs those profits to be able to run R&D on both CPU & GPU and become a truly level player on the field. It's much more costly these days.

And come on, compare the prices: 16-core for 749$ vs. 16-core for 1899$.

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That being said, excited to be getting rid of x299 myself. Going to take big loss but trying to keep x299 cooled was getting out of hand and annoying. My temperature playing in frostbyte engine games were easily hitting 80+ degrees. I know its common bug with intel cpus bit my setup shouldnt hit 80degrees unless bench marking. That and intel security patches taking performance hit after performance hit did it in for me.

There are lot of ppl on ocn looking for charity cases unfortunately. I'm not one of them though, its actually hilarious sometimes. I am getting an laugh just now when i mention i'm possibly giving away an caselabs but its very likely an year away or something could delay it.
I can't read your text, what's up with that?

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AMD needs those profits to be able to run R&D on both CPU & GPU and become a truly level player on the field. It's much more costly these days.

And come on, compare the prices: 16-core for 749$ vs. 16-core for 1899$.
I'm severely tempted by the 16-core, although at the prices the motherboards are likely to be in Japan, I'll probably get a 2950X and an X399 board and enjoy the extra PCI-E lanes and increased RAM capacity (64GB is the absolute, painful minimum for me on any system for work... and even then sometimes 128GB is cutting it a little fine...)


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I can't read your text, what's up with that?
The formatting is messed up. Perhaps character encoding, although I don't see what that would only affect the letter 's'...


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I am satisfied and also disappointed by AMD new products. It's great that AMD is forcing Intel to innovate again and update there architecture for real. The sad thing with the recent AMD launch is that they are following Intel and Nvidia in trying to maximize profits. I find X570 rumored pricing to be even bigger concern. AMD is suppose to make computers much cheaper not about the same.

If this was the 90's era, the ryzen 3000 entry level apu would have been at least 6core/12thread CPU at say 100USD and the motherboard would be very affordable too. The top probably would have been an 36 core variant at reasonable price. If AMD had done so, we would see big changes in software/game development. Its really looking like we need China/Russia to catch up and produce competing products that they are willing to dump high end products on the market at low prices so everyone can enjoy the benefits of 8cores and beyond. Otherwise, we are just stuck with the current technology is enough for current usages argument.

I miss the old days where say the top GPU/CPU would become the entry level next-gen GPU/CPU and the top would actually be significant better (50%+). The world was also much nicer place politically and people treated people with much more respect and care. Now, its so common to meet people that only care about themselves and how you can benefit me.
Ive been sitting idly by... but this right here takes the cake. It is ppl like you that goes this industry messed up, it's ppl like you who see a rumor with a label "grain of salt" and get mad when the info don't directly line up. You sit here and complain about AMDs pricing... what is the cost of an Intel 8, 12 and 16 core?

Nvidia sells a 2080ti for 1300 and ppl buy it up, then complain about AMD pricing. As far as we know it, everything AMD is releasing next month is faster/cheaper than its direct competitor... yet ppl complain about pricing. Yall are crazy, AMD is a business and a business is in business to make money. It doesn't matter what the price is if it's better/cheaper than its competitors. I urge you to go buy an Intel 16 core processor and a 2080ti.

When AMD was the market leader in price/perf, majority still bought Intel and Nvidia. What do you expect a company to do? They sell better for cheaper and ppl still buy the more expensive crap. AMD is not here to make Intel and Nvidia's products cheaper.

Lastly, if you cant afford it don't buy it, it's as simple as that. If you weren't going to buy it anyways, don't complain about its pricing.
I paid 1k for my 1950x, this 3950x is a lot faster and 250 less, what is there to complain about?

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