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post #581 of 709 (permalink) Old 06-13-2019, 03:35 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by springs113 View Post
Ive been sitting idly by... but this right here takes the cake. It is ppl like you that goes this industry messed up, it's ppl like you who see a rumor with a label "grain of salt" and get mad when the info don't directly line up. You sit here and complain about AMDs pricing... what is the cost of an Intel 8, 12 and 16 core?

Nvidia sells a 2080ti for 1300 and ppl buy it up, then complain about AMD pricing. As far as we know it, everything AMD is releasing next month is faster/cheaper than its direct competitor... yet ppl complain about pricing. Yall are crazy, AMD is a business and a business is in business to make money. It doesn't matter what the price is if it's better/cheaper than its competitors. I urge you to go buy an Intel 16 core processor and a 2080ti.

When AMD was the market leader in price/perf, majority still bought Intel and Nvidia. What do you expect a company to do? They sell better for cheaper and ppl still buy the more expensive crap. AMD is not here to make Intel and Nvidia's products cheaper.

Lastly, if you cant afford it don't buy it, it's as simple as that. If you weren't going to buy it anyways, don't complain about its pricing.
I paid 1k for my 1950x, this 3950x is a lot faster and 250 less, what is there to complain about?
It is people like you that have caused the problem , apologists for billion dollar companies , that just must have the new toy no matter how ridiculous prices become .
I am in my 60s , retired ( still gaming ) I have been mucking with computers since my first Apple IIe in 1985 , I am coming to the end of my pc hobby , and am saddened by the damage that the "must have culture " has brought
The people running these big companies are ( in the most part ) not stupid if they see a large group of enthusiastic customers just waiting to be milked , they will milk your wallet dry , and you people are clambering to be the first to be milked for their shiny new toys .
And bleed you dry they will given a chance .
My money is staying in my bank account for this rounds , hopefully others will do the same , and AMD will get burned just a little -- won't happen though too many suckers ready to cough up for their must have toys - without people like that Apple would have gone broke a decade ago - so human stupidity is well proven ! Apple is thriving .
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It is people like you that have caused the problem , apologists for billion dollar companies , that just must have the new toy no matter how ridiculous prices become .

I am in my 60s , retired ( still gaming ) I have been mucking with computers since my first Apple IIe in 1985 , I am coming to the end of my pc hobby , and am saddened by the damage that the "must have culture " has brought

The people running these big companies are ( in the most part ) not stupid if they see a large group of enthusiastic customers just waiting to be milked , they will milk your wallet dry , and you people are clambering to be the first to be milked for their shiny new toys .

And bleed you dry they will given a chance .

My money is staying in my bank account for this rounds , hopefully others will do the same , and AMD will get burned just a little -- won't happen though too many suckers ready to cough up for their must have toys - without people like that Apple would have gone broke a decade ago - so human stupidity is well proven ! Apple is thriving .
Hi pony-tail I do believe what springs113 said is the truth. Seriously when you go and compair AMD to Intel for a similar product AMD is the cheapest and springs argument is that he does not understand why people complain about the pricing.

I've also been playing around with computers since the mid 80's and everything I know I learned through experience. I went from zen to zen+ and will now go to zen 2 in basically 18 months. Ill continue to support AMD as I believe we need them. Think about it, competition is good and keep both companies in check.

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Hi pony-tail I do believe what springs113 said is the truth. Seriously when you go and compair AMD to Intel for a similar product AMD is the cheapest and springs argument is that he does not understand why people complain about the pricing.

I've also been playing around with computers since the mid 80's and everything I know I learned through experience. I went from zen to zen+ and will now go to zen 2 in basically 18 months. Ill continue to support AMD as I believe we need them. Think about it, competition is good and keep both companies in check.

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Short memories - the current prices are a result of Intel , and nVidia price gouging while AMD was not competitive or barely competitive , and AMD wanting a piece of the money grab ,
just a CEO trying to impress their Shareholders an the board . I honestly believe their prices are between $30 to $75 from where they should be .
You are welcome to pay it , but I will not .
Edit -What competition ? they are just matching price or just barely under .
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Short memories - the current prices are a result of Intel , and nVidia price gouging while AMD was not competitive or barely competitive , and AMD wanting a piece of the money grab ,
just a CEO trying to impress their Shareholders an the board . I honestly believe their prices are between $30 to $75 from where they should be .
You are welcome to pay it , but I will not .
No. The current prices are a result of Intel and nVidia price gouging because consumers allowed them to. Always paying more for less. Buying into the hype of buying a new product despite what you currently have being fine. Always buying the same brand because they have the fastest $1000 product, even though at $200 the competition is superior.

It's easy to blame AMD. It's popular to blame AMD. People act as if Bulldozer was the only CPU that AMD ever released. People act as if the 290X didn't match the Titan at less than half the price for over 6 months and people still didn't buy them. People act as if the RX 570 being completely superior and cheaper to a 1050 Ti, and yet the 1050 Ti clouding the Steam charts with the RX 570 nowhere to be seen, is normal.

Now that AMD is stopping the old favors charging ridiculously low prices, suddenly you want to rebel? Why didn't you do it when nVidia was marking up prices every generation? Why didn't you do it when Intel barely gave any performance gains but kept increasing prices? Nah... We can't do that. They're the big players! AMD is just some little budget thing on the side! AMD deserves to be punished! I mean seriously. How strong can the bias against AMD be?

I'm glad AMD is doing this to be honest. Not because it's convenient to me. I would have loved to see the cheaper prices. But I understand that this step is necessary for AMD to command any type of respect. Releasing similar products for cheaper prices has obviously not worked. Despite Ryzen and its great achievements, AMD is somehow STILL seen as the budget brand that needs to sell things ridiculously cheap for everyone else to buy Intel and nVidia cheaper. It's disgusting.
Now, rather than being the first to lower prices, they are baiting their competition into doing it first, and it's great. If they don't do it, whatever. It's not as if they would sell much more anyway, as proven previously. We have Intel in damage control, and surprisingly, even nVidia is in damage control mode for some reason...

Maybe now, the sheep will understand that your money is a vote. But looking at certain replies in here... Even this is not enough apparently. If the bias doesn't change, I honestly hope it gets much much worse. Let entry CPUs and GPUs be $300+. Let's see how long it takes before they start blaming themselves, like they should. All companies are out to make money. It's up to the consumers to protect themselves, and we failed, because, we were too infatuated by the hype of the moment to realize what was happening, and the only one that tried doing things differently was either punished or ignored. I'm glad you get to taste the bitterness now.

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Edit -What competition ? they are just matching price or just barely under .
Oh... I would love to hear what your definition of competition is then.

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even nVidia is in damage control mode for some reason...
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I'm severely tempted by the 16-core, although at the prices the motherboards are likely to be in Japan, I'll probably get a 2950X and an X399 board and enjoy the extra PCI-E lanes and increased RAM capacity (64GB is the absolute, painful minimum for me on any system for work... and even then sometimes 128GB is cutting it a little fine...)



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There are affordable X570 boards (under $200). The big and flashy ones just get much more attention. I'm eager to see the amount of board reviews. I hear like 50+ different boards will launch.

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Must be because of AMD's superior value or their imminent flagship performance domination.
Hold off on the sarcasm. Tell me this is not damage control;
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It is people like you that have caused the problem , apologists for billion dollar companies , that just must have the new toy no matter how ridiculous prices become .
I am in my 60s , retired ( still gaming ) I have been mucking with computers since my first Apple IIe in 1985 , I am coming to the end of my pc hobby , and am saddened by the damage that the "must have culture " has brought
The people running these big companies are ( in the most part ) not stupid if they see a large group of enthusiastic customers just waiting to be milked , they will milk your wallet dry , and you people are clambering to be the first to be milked for their shiny new toys .
And bleed you dry they will given a chance .
My money is staying in my bank account for this rounds , hopefully others will do the same , and AMD will get burned just a little -- won't happen though too many suckers ready to cough up for their must have toys - without people like that Apple would have gone broke a decade ago - so human stupidity is well proven ! Apple is thriving .
This is most ignorant and ridiculous argument i've ever read! i felt like i wasted my time. you're in your 60's you should be much wiser, but it seems you haven't learn S### to be frank, its quite disappointing. It would have been a different argument if intel and Nvidia was pointed at too but you single out amd the one company that had the cheapest price for last decade of 2 top dogs. your arguments STINKS!!

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Apparently, most people here think AMD is a charity. Also AMD themselves said they don't want to be known as a value brand.
it's actually much deeper than that.

They've been raised from the ground up to believe profit in any form is evil, AMD is aware of this & tries to tread lightly... however, profit is the goal of most corporations, and innovation is the tool used to deliver said profits... At least, when things are functioning properly.

nothing evil about it. Greedy? For sure, but that's the name of the human game. Clearly it worked, or we wouldn't be drowning in a world of $1500 GPUs. AMD wishes they could sell a product to gamers @ that price, they just simply don't have said product yet.

there is absolutely nothing wrong with AMD bringing a competitive product, & introducing it at a high price. We all know it'll be half off within a year.

as to the must have culture, it brings damage everywhere it goes. Not just PCs. Look @ the current state of US politics. This revitalized social attempt is near completely born of "gib now, for free, i deserve it, cuz america & 2019!" (sips $10 coffee, while tapping on $1000 phone, provided by parents) I guess that's really it. All these spoiled kids just want the Govt. to pick up where their folks are leaving off.

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New chipset driver for Gigabye X570 is out- who can test if it helps with win 1903?
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