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post #21 of 367 (permalink) Old 05-27-2019, 02:35 PM
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I hope they come in cheap, but let's be honest, even if outright spanks the 2070, Nvidia could always release a 7nm version of Turing.
If the rumours are true that nvidia can't make 7nm with TSMC because they are fully booked with AMD and apple, and they are going with samsung, 7nm from nvidia might be delayed to later this year since samsung started 7nm mass production about a month ago. So it could depend on how long AMD will have to sell those cards until nvidia can get manufacturing time to make the GPUs.
Nvidia might also be holding enough with just reducing prices and kicking stocks out until next year until AMD releases bigger navi.


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The vega 64 outperforms the 2070 in strange brigade according to a review I looked up. And they happen to show this game. I don't have high hopes.

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they should put it right up against GTX 1660 Ti, that would pull Nvidia down it's high horse.
They honestly need to. The V56 is had at $300 or under now and realistically is not far off from a V64 at all. V64 is still at $399 with free games. With all the recent sales they are trying to clear stock asap before Navi. As we all know Vega is not cheap to produce so I really can't imagine AMD being so foolish as to not take the opportunity to price this in the $300 range (280-330 depending on AIB as always).


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The vega 64 outperforms the 2070 in strange brigade according to a review I looked up. And they happen to show this game. I don't have high hopes.
Look at VII vs 2080:

https://static.techspot.com/articles...ench/1440p.png

It losses in Strange Brigade. A lot of time AMD does better with their sponsored titles early on and Nvidia improves performance after. From this I would say Navi is on par with 2070. Losing some and winning some. The price will be the deciding factor.

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they should put it right up against GTX 1660 Ti, that would pull Nvidia down it's high horse.
They honestly need to. The V56 is had at $300 or under now and realistically is not far off from a V64 at all. V64 is still at $399 with free games. With all the recent sales they are clearly trying to clear stack asap before Navi. As we all know Vega is not cheap to produce so I really can't imagine AMD being so foolish as to not take the opportunity to price this in the $300 range (280-330 depending on AIB as always).
Sales off prices of a sku near eol does not make sense to me

New mid range usually brings near ex top tier perf for half msrp cost and power usage

V56 will be soon not available anymore and the only competitor for navi will be mid range turing which is 500$, everything else is wishful thinking

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The rumored price is $500.

AMD’s continued ability to disappoint and underwhelm, even with lowered expectations, surely is something.

With Nvidia’s price gouging and AMD’s incompetence, I fear I might never buy another GPU again.
At the rate things are going, I'm gonna be riding my 1080ti into the ground. I think both companies realized during the mining craze that gamers will still buy cards regardless of how expensive they are, so the new price market is here to stay and will probably get worse.

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At the rate things are going, I'm gonna be riding my 1080ti into the ground. I think both companies realized during the mining craze that gamers will still buy cards regardless of how expensive they are, so the new price market is here to stay and will probably get worse.
Same here.

The 1080Ti will go down as one of the best cards in history just because the lack of competition in the high end gpu market. Over two years old and still as good or better than anything AMD has released.

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The pcie 4.0 demo was pointless imo. We are barely pushing out 2.0 relevance. Is there any non niche case where 4.0 will be of any use to us?

Have to edit....wasn't thinking about nvme drives
This is always a bad argument. The "saturation" argument gets slyly made by people every time a new version of PCIe is announced or debuts.

You should want the transport to be as fast, boring, and out of the way as possible. Always.

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This is always a bad argument. The "saturation" argument gets slyly made by people every time a new version of PCIe is announced or debuts.

You should want the transport to be as fast, boring, and out of the way as possible. Always.
When there is a use for it, yes I agree. When there is not a use for it, no.....no I don't want to pay for something I can't utilize. There's nothing sly about it....it's common sense for a consumer. I'm not sure how that would ever be a bad argument/point never the less always.
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AMD will release it at a competitive price point, this I am certain of.

However, I'm also not interested in mid-range Navi personally, because I already have multiple 1080 Tis and I'll need a compelling upgrade from that, other than some 1200 dollar Turing monstrosity.

PCI-E 4.0 test was meaningless. Yes, PCI-E 4.0 will be faster, and considerably so, if a significant portion of assets cannot be fit into local VRAM...but this is not at all a realistic gaming scenario. The reason GPUs have so much VRAM is to prevent this level of asset streaming from being necessary and by the time it is, performance will be trash no matter what. PCI-E 4.0 might be relevant if CFX sees a resurgence of support as it will enable improved scaling and/or reduced microstutter, but for single GPU scenarios the difference between 16x PCI-E 3.0 and 4.0 is going to be meaningless until we are on the third generation of PCI-E 5.0 GPUs.

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