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I’m kinda stuck. I’m building a new rig early July - 3900X, but not sure which GPU yet as been out of the game for a while. Either the 5700XT, Radeon VII or RTX2080. Going to be a hard choice! If there are PCIe 4 NVMe drives out early July along with X570 boards then budget might be eaten by one of them so would need to go 5700XT.
i just posted this in the asus asrock mobo thread:

Phison will deliver a 6,500 MB/s PCIe 4.0 SSD controller "by Q1 of next year"
so maybe get that RVII and hold off until pci-e 4.0 nvme is faster and maybe cheaper.
I’ve seen a few benchmarks from a Gigabyte one that I thought might drop next month. It all depends what comes. I’ve also got a few bids open on RTX 2080Ti on eBay - hoping to just be able to get one of them for under £800. If I can’t get that then maybe the RVII if no Gen4 SSDs drop next month.
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I’ve seen a few benchmarks from a Gigabyte one that I thought might drop next month. It all depends what comes. I’ve also got a few bids open on RTX 2080Ti on eBay - hoping to just be able to get one of them for under £800. If I can’t get that then maybe the RVII if no Gen4 SSDs drop next month.
that gigabyte and all "new" ssds uses phison's E16 controller "upgraded" to pci-e 4.0, it WILL BE slower than what's coming out later and probably hotter.

don't get stuck w/early adopter's fee.

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Is that right?


Nvidia Super is supposed to be real (supposedly unveiled June 21st) and replace existing stack: https://videocardz.com/81043/confirm...0-super-series


wccftech believes that that the Super cards will replace the existing stack and that the old stack will be price cut. Makes sense unlike the original idea that the Super was going to be cheaper.
yeah that picture is officially from Nvidia. it is even the font they use, but I don't know where they showed it and who they showed it to.

Yeah I am looking forward to the super cards.



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Problem with nvidia you got to go 2080 above for sli or has that change?

Thanks (also to @white owl and op).
You are correct, with RTX nvidia removed the SLI connectors from anything but the 2080 and higher.
Either because the market for it was so low, they decided to save a few bucks, or they didn't want a couple of 2060s or 2070s to interfere with sales of the bigger cards.

AMD's solution is superior if you play full screen only in DX11, and for DX12 the mGPU support is OS/DX based so there is no need for connectors either way.


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AMD deserve a crap ton of hate and backlash over the pricing of these two Navi cards.More backlash than Nvidia because its a worse product launching 10 months late than the competition while costing more.

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and this is why AMD will always be in second, even if they aren't.

They let themselves become Mascot of a section of people that're never happy, no matter the situation.

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AMD deserve a crap ton of hate and backlash over the pricing of these two Navi cards.More backlash than Nvidia because its a worse product launching 10 months late than the competition while costing more.
Oh. Did you say the same thing regarding the GTX 1650?

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Yeah... Didn't think so.

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and this is why AMD will always be in second, even if they aren't.

They let themselves become Mascot of a section of people that're never happy, no matter the situation.
Let themselves? Tell me. What can they do? It's always a lose lose for AMD.

If they bring features first, nobody uses them, if they bring them later, they're always behind nVidia.
If they add features that nVidia has, they're copying, and if they don't, they lack features.
If they're priced significantly lower, they're the budget brand and you're better off buying nVidia. If they price just slightly lower or equal, they are too expensive and you're better off buying nVidia.
If they release a card first, better wait for nVidia. If they release a competitive card after nVidia, they're late.

So really. Honestly. Tell me. What can/must they do? Let me guess. Become a charity by releasing a card that beats the 2080 Ti for max $300, right? Just so that they can get hated on again if they ever try to make money.
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You know AMD could have bundled AAA games with the 50th anniversary edition to make the $500 version with blower more appealing. The Microsoft Game Pass is a trial offer.

They could have made a better cooling solution (if you recall fermi had heatpipes and a bigger fin area) as well for it.

AMD is doing is what is smart though, they have the Apple Mac market (people would buy it if it had a toaster instead of a GPU because it's Apple), console market (nobody cares about the brand of CPU/GPU it's identified by Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo branding), Google Stadia, and also partnered up with Samsung on mobile devices. If they can break into mobile devices it's better for them than breaking into the gaming PC market. A console sale always gets them profit whereas a GPU might not make MSRP after a few months. Lisa Su stated she is aiming for 45%+ margin.

There's really no incentive for AMD to compete with consoles, it's self defeating. I'm pretty sure most of the funding for Navi came from consoles. Nvidia is pressured into competing because they thrive on the gaming PC market and the workstation / compute space. The self driving cars DGX stuff and deep learning emphasis would count as compute. Nvidia shield doesn't have as much of a market presence. If someone is not gaming , using their GPU for render/compute, or using graphically intensive applications, then they don't need more than Intel graphics or AMD Ryzen APU for graphics (most decent $500 laptops are coming with Ryzen APUs instead of i3 s or i5s). Nvidia needs to peddle RTX because other than for compute there's no major reason to get it over Pascal (perf/watt hasn't changed much when Tensor cores or concurrent float+int aren't used) short of if you have cash to blow on RTX 2080 Ti / RTX TITAN.
--> "Q1 2019 ResultsRevenue was $1.27 billion, down 23 percent year-over-year primarily due to lower revenue in the Computing and Graphics segment. Revenue was down 10 percent quarter-over-quarter primarily due to lower client processor sales. ...The year-over-year decline was primarily due to lower revenue and operating income in the Computing and Graphics segment."- http://ir.amd.com/static-files/a84df...f-f35149030e4d
--> "AMD showed a 21% gain in desktop discrete GPU shipments in Q1’19. Overall GPU shipments decreased -18.62% from last quarter, AMD shipments decreased -4.6% Nvidia decreased -12.7% .. Discrete GPUs were in 28.95% of PCs" https://www.jonpeddie.com/press-rele...eddie-research

I really don't anticipate an early price cut if Nvidia's Super cards are 10% more CUDA cores for the RTX 2070 / RTX 2060 with faster VRAM, it would probably end up being a game bundle as it isn't massive performance uplift. RX 590 didn't get an unofficial price cut until $220 GTX 1660 hit the shelves ; Vega56 competed with $280 MSRP GTX 1660 Ti. RX 5700 is likely the better of the two Navi cards for performance per dollar as this time it's only a shader difference : the memory speed is the same. RX 5700 XT seems a bit gouged due to TU106 RTX 2070 being baseline. The TU104 RTX 2070 Super isn't likely to change that much though.
--> "We are in the process of confirming the pricing details, but it appears that RTX 20 Super will basically get RTX 20 Non-Super MSRP’s while the former will receive a price cut." https://videocardz.com/81046/nvidia-...aunch-mid-july
--> https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/n...er-fiscal-2020 (sectors highlighted are: Data center /cloud, Gaming, Pro visualization, Automotive - deep learning, edge computing)

It's all just another slap in the face for RTX buyers. Someone who bought into "6GB VRAM on 192-bit bus is enough" is going to regret their purchase now that the TU104 chip is going into RTX 2070 and the RTX 2060 Super is supposed to be getting 8GB VRAM.

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Oh. Did you say the same thing regarding the GTX 1650?

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Yeah... Didn't think so.


Let themselves? Tell me. What can they do? It's always a lose lose for AMD.

If they bring features first, nobody uses them, if they bring them later, they're always behind nVidia.
If they add features that nVidia has, they're copying, and if they don't, they lack features.
If they're priced significantly lower, they're the budget brand and you're better off buying nVidia. If they price just slightly lower or equal, they are too expensive and you're better off buying nVidia.
If they release a card first, better wait for nVidia. If they release a competitive card after nVidia, they're late.

So really. Honestly. Tell me. What can/must they do? Let me guess. Become a charity by releasing a card that beats the 2080 Ti for max $300, right? Just so that they can get hated on again if they ever try to make money.
Well said.
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