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post #151 of 172 (permalink) Old 06-18-2019, 03:38 PM
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Only the purest of intel fan boys will cough up that extra $100 for that sweet sweet 5% performance gain to be the king of gaming and also stupidity. To each his own.
I find the tone of your first sentence and the literal meaning of your second to be at odds.

Would you possibly allow a sudden realization of your limited understanding of others' designs and predilections to encumber the contribution of your overtly distasteful judgement, and, perhaps, its very genesis?

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those 2 dont even get close to my 7820x pulling 400-450watts XD also have a 7940x XD
just referencing the statements ... 9900K pictured is hotter than what some people are claiming..

He is hitting 90cs and is not even stressing it out the right way XD the cpu is delidded and on water to make matter worst lol
the 1.5mV is not even concerning he just topping it out at 250w.. Im 20c lower than him at 230 XD 20watts less


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wow could intel actually be scared? This isn't like them, usually it's AMD making bold claims and Intel just brushes their shoulders.

Just the fact that AMD is getting close for the same price is an achievement, gives us a good price war finally. Ryzen 1 and 2 didn't really do what AMD claimed they could do, seems Intel always had better options for less.
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wow could intel actually be scared? This isn't like them, usually it's AMD making bold claims and Intel just brushes their shoulders.

Just the fact that AMD is getting close for the same price is an achievement, gives us a good price war finally. Ryzen 1 and 2 didn't really do what AMD claimed they could do, seems Intel always had better options for less.
Better options for less? Intel had better options sure, but they also cost (significantly) more. If Intel had better options for less, AMD would still be in the same hole they excavated themselves into.

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I wonder what determines this 'real world gaming crown'.

I've got a 2700x and 9900k machine at home. At 4k there's no difference. I would say even a chip like the 2600 is a 4k contender.

That being said trying to hit 144 or 165 fps with a high refresh monitor is a different ballgame. There's some older titles that I am getting 170-180 fps on the 9900k and the 2700x will continously drop under 110 (Destiny 2)

I doubt a highly clocked 9900k will be beat- I am going to assume the new Ryzen chips are like the old ones and that the all core OC will be lower than the advertised 'max speed' . Going to assume maybe 4.5 or 4.6ghz OC'd on all cores for Ryzen 3000 which will not be enough to match the 9900k at 5kghz/higher

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There are leaked geekbench scores and AMD still seems to be well behind intel.

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Software measurement of power from the "internal" sensors is often rubbish on Intel at least. Get a power meter and show the real actual values not some HWiNFO sensor readout XD
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Software measurement of power from the "internal" sensors is often rubbish on Intel at least. Get a power meter and show the real actual values not some HWiNFO sensor readout XD
killawatt reflects the same value, theres a minus before hitting the psu of course but not a big deal or concern..

by now we should know theres some power loss between the killawatt hitting the psu this psu converting ac to dc and the delivery thru cables and vrms plus the heat in between them is lost. ends killawatt is less reliable than the hwinfo reading,,, as a matter of fact using a killawatt is giving an little advantage to the tdp itself..

Both are not 100% accurate, but i stick with hwinfo or any app that reads power because is the only source of reading we have after AC/PSU/cables/vrms ===> cpu that measures everything including capacitors between psu and vrms where it boost power as needed ends is a most accurate reading than the killawatt in that regard. killawatt just see the energy flowing from ac out not the whole conversion after psus caps and vrms delivery... the redings are a math from what the cpu itself is doing after the whole travel from ac to cpu at what voltage, load etc...


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I wonder what determines this 'real world gaming crown'.

I've got a 2700x and 9900k machine at home. At 4k there's no difference. I would say even a chip like the 2600 is a 4k contender.

That being said trying to hit 144 or 165 fps with a high refresh monitor is a different ballgame. There's some older titles that I am getting 170-180 fps on the 9900k and the 2700x will continously drop under 110 (Destiny 2)

I doubt a highly clocked 9900k will be beat- I am going to assume the new Ryzen chips are like the old ones and that the all core OC will be lower than the advertised 'max speed' . Going to assume maybe 4.5 or 4.6ghz OC'd on all cores for Ryzen 3000 which will not be enough to match the 9900k at 5kghz/higher

thats all about that mem latency... i can have a intel at 41x-45x doing better than a 50x combined with 3200 cl16 ram on low res when cpu bottleneck starts. the frequency its not helping it . the mem latency does
i would net around -2ns on a frecuency boost of 1.2GHz for example.. thats barely nothing and margin of error

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thats all about that mem latency... i can have a intel at 41x-45x doing better than a 50x combined with 3200 cl16 ram on low res when cpu bottleneck starts. the frequency its not helping it . the mem latency does
i would net around -2ns on a frecuency boost of 1.2GHz for example.. thats barely nothing and margin of error
Just curious, is that in a game? I ask because when i had my ryzen cpu no matter of memory tweaking would surpass even 100mhz of core clock in cpu intensive games (WoW/pubg etc)

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