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post #51 of 172 (permalink) Old 06-10-2019, 08:25 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Leopardi View Post
Upcoming console generation has 16 threads of which 15 available for games, so within a couple of years expect similar falling behind as you see with a 4 core 7600K losing to a 6 core Ryzen 5 1600 AMD's currently. And since 3000's are so closely matched in single core performance, it will be even bigger shift.

Just look at that Battlefield V figure, double 1% low FPS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97sDKvMHd8c
In the course of 2 years, we've basically gone from quad cores/no HT being the key value segment to being obsolete. That's pretty incredible.

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post #52 of 172 (permalink) Old 06-11-2019, 12:56 AM
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In a couple of years the 3900x and the 9900k will be obselete
Basically 3900x is more expensive than 9900k 20-30$ more and the X570 will be more expensive than Z390
so you will pay more for 4 cores and less single thread performance after waiting for 1 year ?

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Not necessarily, they already have massive difficulties lowering the process and an 8 years old Xeon / i7 990X can still game especially since we're shifting to higher resolutions like 4k or even 8k.

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In a couple of years the 3900x and the 9900k will be obselete
Basically 3900x is more expensive than 9900k 20-30$ more and the X570 will be more expensive than Z390
so you will pay more for 4 cores and less single thread performance after waiting for 1 year ?
That's a good joke, I'm still running well on a 4790K. I'm actually GPU bottlenecked still (I aim for 1440p 144Hz).

The 3900X in 5 years would translate to something like if the 4790K today was 6-core instead of 4-core. Still would be sufficient for another 2 years at least.

GPU advancements seem to have slowed down to CPU-style stalemate status after GTX 1000-series as well, so this pace of advancement definitely isn't going to change to faster -- maybe even slow down from what the last 5 years have been.


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I remember clearly arguing with some posters on another forum (likely guys that just bought a 4-core Intel) that 4-cores were going to remain the best gaming CPUs for several years and that (at the time) 6 cores were unnecessary as devs target 4-cores, so it was a waste to get more than 4C. I mean talk about being short-sighted or having extreme confirmation bias as you just bought something.

8-cores is the sweet spot in 2018 and if you want to see your CPU last a good few years, 12-cores is there.

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In a couple of years the 3900x and the 9900k will be obselete
Basically 3900x is more expensive than 9900k 20-30$ more and the X570 will be more expensive than Z390
so you will pay more for 4 cores and less single thread performance after waiting for 1 year ?
it's obvious looking at your sig that you are getting defensive as you love your 9900K but the fact is there is something much better than that getting released in September, and even the 3900K 8-core is a better choice -

- Much higher efficiency
- Lower heat
- Cheaper
- On a platform with modern features unavailable to your 9900K

Instead of being salty, embrace the advancement and acknowledge your 9900K is a 14nm relic and a space heater to boot


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When we gonna see OEM's replacing the 9900K with those CPU's? it's a blessing for them - much easier to cool& cheaper.
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Up, they could've done so ages ago but are contract-bound with Intel.

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GPU advancements seem to have slowed down to CPU-style stalemate status after GTX 1000-series as well, so this pace of advancement definitely isn't going to change to faster -- maybe even slow down from what the last 5 years have been.
I disagree. GPU performance hadn't slowed down. It just got more expensive. And CPU advancement got stagnated because of lack of competition. AMD's competition to match intel is what drove intel into making 8/16 for the main stream. Without AMD's competition, the 9900K would still be 4/8.

GPU wise, while in the past you got 25% more performance on a similar price tag, now you get 25% more performance on a much higher price tag because it is possible to increase the price tag.

Once competition kicks in (like it does in the CPU market), it will reduce the price and give us more options.
If there was actual competition, nvidia would not release just a RTX version, but a GTX version of the 2080 TI, without tensor cores, smaller die, and lower price tag, to fight AMD. But since AMD are fine with sticking to the mid and lower end, it doesn't happen, which is why there is a slow down on the same price points.


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Why are they comparing high end cpu's at 1080p gaming? I get that this might interest the esports crowd, but for literally anyone else in this market segment, it's probably 1440p. Even then, those slides from AMD showing 1080p performance where still very impressive

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Intel, the naked king. 1080p and PS3 ports are old news, give it up already. They act like we're still in Bulldozer dark age.

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