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post #11 of 245 (permalink) Old 06-10-2019, 09:20 PM
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Now I understand the nvidia's super.

They are playing AMD's game at with their own tricks.
Like AMD refreshed polaris to match nvidia's hardware, nvidia are doing the same thing to navi.

AMD put their 5700 at 379$ now vs a new 2060 super which cost 249$, 130$ difference, which is significant.
And the 5700 XT at 449$, is now going against a 2070 super which is 399$, which is 50$ cheaper.
And the VII which stays in place at 699$, is going against a now 2080 super at 599$, 100$ cheaper.

If anyone expected competitive pricing from AMD, is going to have a bad day.

Nvidia basically took their thunder, making the so anticipated navi look like a bad deal.

We will have to see if the new features stick, and how much those cards are going to be pushed in OC. But the 5700 XT seems to be taking as much power as the 2080. At 1905mhz, I expect it can be OCed to 2100mhz or so, I wonder how much power limited it is going to be. I expect similar to nvidia.


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I haven't seen any Nvidia announcements yet, did I miss the whole "super" thing?

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I haven't seen any Nvidia announcements yet, did I miss the whole "super" thing?
just the fanbox speculation on price of what look to be OC'd specialty disabled nV 3rd bin chips

The entire turing lineup is all pre-manufacture for the self-driving contract that failed anyway - its a 10xx refresh with a sticker labeled "turbo" slapped on
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I'd wait for proper reviews and what aftermarket AIB cards will offer. The RX 5700 non XT looks to be the better buy. Faster than vega 56 while being cheaper by $20 off the msrp. However vega 56 can be found much cheaper now a days new or used. By about $100 or more.

Another thing to take note of is power consumption. 225w for the RX 5700XT. Still on the high side. Seems like clocks push power draw threw the roof. Similar to polaris. An under volt will still be the best option.

Oppose to nvidia. AMD has 8gb of vram where nvidia has better performance per watt and ray tracing. However if the super rumors turns out to be true than AMD is in a bad spot. But for what it's worth everything in 2019 might be a hard skip anyways. Intel will be in the mix by 2020 and nvidia will most likely move on to 7nm regardless.
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Can you guys explain RAL to someone who hasn't watched the event (and cannot do so right now)?
I mean, how does it work, exactly?

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That lag-thing is very interesting, can't wait to see proper reviews.....and oc potential makes me curious....1980 boost from a amd card on a presumely binned gpu makes me think that 2200 on serious cooling will be more than affordable at a little higher voltage than default which is already out of the roof as always has been in last radeon releases, especially in mid tier gpus....

People, 225 tdp means the card will roughly consume 200w under full load.....give it a undervolt and you'll end up in 150w with same or even higher performance....

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I wanna see more about the lag reduction and image sharpness tech. Is this an RDNA thing and its automatic, so even Vega VII has it, or just Navi exclusive? Dont know about everyone else, but im done paying nvidia prices. Pricing for the RTX lineup should tell everyone Nvidia's intention regard the market. Continue to pay their prices and continue to get fleeced. Just dont complain about it if you buy green.

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That XT cooler is the ugliest I can remember. Can anyone else remember an uglier one? Looks like when I taped some fireworks to my GI Joe stuff when I was a kid.
I personally like the cooler. And i am sure I am not the only one.

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Radeon anti-lag also works on GCN cards (see slide below), so we'll have to see what the software trickery really does behind the scenes. Also, it doesn't support DX 12 nor Vulkan, so these APIs may already have those optimizations built-in, being closer to the metal.

Hardware Unboxed has one slide where it's noted (see below, video in the spoiler also), but I still didn't find the endnotes slide that provides more information.

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Overall, as I said in the other thread, this is a disappointing launch. It seems like they are betting too much on piggybacking on the enthusiasm for Zen 2.

They say that Navi is here to stay for a long time, but it clearly needs a lot of work in subsequent iterations (7nm EUV will also help).

At 7nm they still have a power hog architecture vs the competition that is still on 12nm and it doesn't even feature ray tracing cores nor denoiser cores. Their 7nm card has a 10w higher TDP compared to the 12nm RTX 2080, while performing worse.

Also, according to GN, the RX 5700 non XT has one fewer phase, so expectations of reaching the same clocks as the XT version may be hampered. AIB versions will probably feature better stuff, but the price at that point may be too close to the XT version. I'm just not feeling anything even remotely close to the Zen 2 enthusiasm for the amounts that they want for these cards.
Been doing comparations between AMD and Nvidia cards in regards to "input lag". There is a topic here on forum too, but mostly its full of misinformation...

In general the AMD driver does not add any input lag when system is idle. NVidia adds 250 microseconds already.

When there is active 3D rendering, AMD drivers might add 40-60 microseconds. Nvidia adds between 450microseconds up to 1000microseconds.

In each case the delay is accounted to CPU time, numbers are based on application called LatencyMon.

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