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its just a taste too, wait for 2021.

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Good card. I wonder if there is a way around the apparent power limit like a shunt mod? Could oc pretty well if so.
Nvidia uses very cheap shunt resistors for power detection. Easy to mod, but overall they are kinda low performing, though they are also very low cost.
AMD uses extremely expensive and high performance circuits for power draw detection and voltage control of the core. If AMD uses the same power controllers as the last couple generations, we should be able to use software to override power limts already from the start as well as control core voltage. So not only is AMDs solution better performing but also easier to mod. However if AMD changed up their circuits and uses a new chip then we may have to revert to hardware modding with soldering multiturn potentiometers to the card to modify stuff.

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Now I understand the nvidia's super.

They are playing AMD's game at with their own tricks.
Like AMD refreshed polaris to match nvidia's hardware, nvidia are doing the same thing to navi.

AMD put their 5700 at 379$ now vs a new 2060 super which cost 249$, 130$ difference, which is significant.
And the 5700 XT at 449$, is now going against a 2070 super which is 399$, which is 50$ cheaper.
And the VII which stays in place at 699$, is going against a now 2080 super at 599$, 100$ cheaper.

If anyone expected competitive pricing from AMD, is going to have a bad day.

Nvidia basically took their thunder, making the so anticipated navi look like a bad deal.

We will have to see if the new features stick, and how much those cards are going to be pushed in OC. But the 5700 XT seems to be taking as much power as the 2080. At 1905mhz, I expect it can be OCed to 2100mhz or so, I wonder how much power limited it is going to be. I expect similar to nvidia.

Have to be really skeptical of a RTX 2060 Super at $250. If that happened they would destroy their entire GTX product stack.
GTX 1660 Ti = $280 MSRP --> I doubt this is dropping below $230 as it's at least +20% over GTX 1060 (1536 CUDA cores , 284mm^2) and uses more expensive GDDR6
GTX 1660 = $220 MSRP --> this can move down to around $160-180 probably as its GDDR5 (1408 CUDA cores , 284mm2 cut down is still larger than GP106's 200mm^2) but doubtful it would drop much given the state of RX 580/RX 590 (they are smaller at 232mm^2)
GTX 1650 = $150 MSRP --> this can move down to around $110-130 as it is already seen on sale for $120-130ish (see GTX 1050 Ti / GTX 1050) , it's slower than RX 570 and GTX 1060 but it's 200mm^2 so there's not as much room to play with pricing TU117 compared with GP107 which was 132mm^2

RTX 2070 Super is possible though I doubt it would be $400 also.

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I would be surprised if the Super cards are anything less than $50 more than the non-super cards.
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It's a step in the right direction but AMD is still a generation or two behind Nvidia. I'll continue to support AMD but we're kidding ourselves if we think that Navi is better than Nvidia's RTX lineup.
From a purely technical standpoint, at the same performance targets: Nvidia runs more efficient, cooler, quieter, cheaper to make, and at higher margins.
The best thing about this release is that it puts a little "pressure" on Nvidia to lower their prices to cut in some of their margins on the 2060/2070, but until we see the 5500/5600 series, the 1660/Ti's will continue to sell which is where the real money is made.

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You are not the only one. This card is a breath of fresh air from AMD.
Hmmm, I thought surely he was being sarcastic. A little more performance for a little bit more than nvidia's already inflated prices.

Not much to be excited about.

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you know... showing me better image quality via my monitor just doesn't cut it for me. It reminds me of how monitor companies sell monitors with overly sharp images, etc. in the marketing "your monitor looks like this, but with this monitor it'll look like this!!!" *REALLLY small print - please note this is a simulated effect*

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Hmmm, I thought surely he was being sarcastic. A little more performance for a little bit more than nvidia's already inflated prices.

Not much to be excited about.

I think most people are excited for the XT version. Which seems to be on average a bit better than the RTX2070, and technically a hundred Dollars less. The real issue though is AMD cards never seem to sell for MSRP, they are always around $50-100 more expensive. SO in the end it will be a bad value as well I think.
I know I was honestly hoping for the XT level performance in a $400 price point. Sucks that this gen is raising the cost bar too on the AMD side and they cant even use the "RT cores" excuse.

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Quote: Originally Posted by EniGma1987 View Post
I think most people are excited for the XT version. Which seems to be on average a bit better than the RTX2070, and technically a hundred Dollars less. The real issue though is AMD cards never seem to sell for MSRP, they are always around $50-100 more expensive. SO in the end it will be a bad value as well I think.
I understand you are comparing the XT version to a FE model. You can get a RTX 2070 for $480 or $500. Some have rebates that bring it down to $440.

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and you can get a still warrantied used 1080ti for $500

i found it a much better choice over 2080, for the money. RTX is still a baby.

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