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post #11 of 50 (permalink) Old 06-25-2019, 09:43 AM
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What is this group of people wanting upscaling features enthusiastic about? This sounds like something that a specific crowd would be wanting (programmers, IT, I dunno), and I don't mean the typical "enthusiast" crowd that mostly just runs benchmarks and plays games.
Upscaling 1080p on 4k display for mainstream, 4k to a 8k display for highend. All of this without image quality loss is big news because GPUs sure ain’t gonna run 8k 30 FPS anytime soon.
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I dont see how copying 1 pixel, then multiplying it by 4 will make much difference.

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I dont see how copying 1 pixel, then multiplying it by 4 will make much difference.
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Upscaling 1080p on 4k display for mainstream, 4k to a 8k display for highend. All of this without image quality loss is big news because GPUs sure ain’t gonna run 8k 30 FPS anytime soon.
Without image quality loss as compared to what? Are you saying that upscaling 4k to 8k will look like having an 8k source?

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Without image quality loss as compared to what? Are you saying that upscaling 4k to 8k will look like having an 8k source?
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based on tons of playing with downscaling and upscaling, long before NV automated it for plebs, not really. sometimes yes, but no. Not really. simulated 8k is simulated 8k. I like to call it FXAAx16

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LOL that's a feature that takes like 15min to add to any driver.

It's only usable for high PPI 4k where people run 1080p but then why bother when classic bilinear or bicubic etc. will look fine anyway.
And for all those old game emulators the scaling is done in the emulator with shaders etc. = this feature is useless for those.
Yeah, it's a really basic feature, but NVIDIA and AMD don't support it. It's an easy marketing win.
Bilinear and bicubic are the worst of both worlds. None of the sharpness of nearest-neighbour, and nowhere as nice as modern scaling algorithms.

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Without image quality loss as compared to what? Are you saying that upscaling 4k to 8k will look like having an 8k source?
No, other scaling methods like bilinear are blurry. If you output 4K to an 8K monitor, you're relying on either the GPU or the TV upscaler neither of which typically do integer-ratio nearest-neighbour scaling. Bilinear and bicubic can look fine (except with pixel art), but you're honestly just losing sharpness on your lower-resolution content, it's not adding anything to the image.

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What is this group of people wanting upscaling features enthusiastic about? This sounds like something that a specific crowd would be wanting (programmers, IT, I dunno), and I don't mean the typical "enthusiast" crowd that mostly just runs benchmarks and plays games.
Anyone with a 4K monitor will be really happy if they can select lossless 1080p that looks like native for FPS gaming.

1440p high refresh rate monitor users too will enjoy this option for lower resolution, if they have anything less than a 2080 Ti like you.

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So if I have 1440p 144hz monitor and want to run lets say Apex Legends in 1080p on that 1440p monitor it will look as sharp as native 1440p but obviously with more frames? If so why wasnt this added sooner? I think I know the answer but it's the reason I stick to 1440p for some games and 1080p for fast shooters.
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