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[Tom's Hardware] Apple's Chip Ambitions Rise With Arm Hire

Source: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ap...ppo,39751.html

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Apple came one step closer to ditching Intel when it hired Mike Filippo, a lead engineer from Arm, to a chip architect position in May. Filippo could be crucial to Apple's reported plan to use its own Arm-based processors in Mac products instead of continuing to use Intel CPUs.

According to Filippo's LinkedIn page, he joined Apple as an architect in May. The profile says his last position was lead CPU architect at Arm, where he worked for 10 years.

Saying that Filippo knows processor design would be an understatement. In addition to Arm, he also has experience at AMD and Intel. According to Bloomberg, Filippo "was a lead engineer behind chip designs that power the vast majority of the world’s smartphones and tablets and was leading a new push into parts for computers" for Arm. That ambition will probably serve him well in his new position with Apple.

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I still don't see Apple switching out Intel processors for ARM. They would sacrifice all existing app compatibility that they've built over the years. Just not worth it.

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I still don't see Apple switching out Intel processors for ARM. They would sacrifice all existing app compatibility that they've built over the years. Just not worth it.
I'm excited to see how well Qualcomm's 8cx will perform when emulating AMD64. It's the first Qualcomm chip designed for notebooks. If it does well I'm sure Apple can do better.

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I still don't see Apple switching out Intel processors for ARM. They would sacrifice all existing app compatibility that they've built over the years. Just not worth it.
As if Apple cares, they will recompile their Apple apps to run on Arm along with their Nix clone OS and move on. OMG don't switch from Motorola to PowerPC, OMG don't switch from PowerPC to x86, OMG don't switch from x86 to ARM.
If anything x86 is dying anyway, slowly but eventually. It's all about who is going to invest in a design of something better, the current solutions aren't exactly x86 replacements yet in terms of performance let alone performance/price.
And ARM chips today are more than powerful enough to power Apple laptops for what Apple customers do with those laptops.
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I'm excited to see how well Qualcomm's 8cx will perform when emulating AMD64. It's the first Qualcomm chip designed for notebooks. If it does well I'm sure Apple can do better.
Not too familiar with that, but I'd surprised if ARM processors can emulate the Intel instruction set and not slow to a crawl.
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As if Apple cares, they will recompile their Apple apps to run on Arm along with their Nix clone OS and move on. OMG don't switch from Motorola to PowerPC, OMG don't switch from PowerPC to x86, OMG don't switch from x86 to ARM.
If anything x86 is dying anyway, slowly but eventually. It's all about who is going to invest in a design of something better, the current solutions aren't exactly x86 replacements yet in terms of performance let alone performance/price.
And ARM chips today are more than powerful enough to power Apple laptops for what Apple customers do with those laptops.
Actually, I think they do care. A lot. Why? Apple has built up an ecosystem of apps over the last decade and it would be ridiculous to just throw that all away. End of story - loss of sales, and Apple doesn't want that.

Actually, I'd say ARM chips today aren't anywhere near powerful enough for laptops or desktops. And putting all Apple customers into a blanket "well you don't need much power" category is also another way to lose a lot of sales.

I don't see Apple ever switching to ARM because I don't think there's any way to maintain backwards compatibility and I doubt it's going to be a more powerful option than existing x86 processors. Would be more problem than it's worth.

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ARM matching x86/AMD64 in performance will require an enormous incrase in power consumption, and by that time there will be no difference between Intel/AMD and ARM. So, ARM are not taking over as they simply can't.

The only area where ARM to beat Intel and AMD is price, which isn't odd as their chips are far less complex. Apple are only doing this to increase their profit margins. They certainly won't lower the price of their products to match their performance, and their consumers don't care. If Apple slapped an Apple logo on a rotting apple people would rush to buy it.
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Not too familiar with that, but I'd surprised if ARM processors can emulate the Intel instruction set and not slow to a crawl.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...-x86-emulation

Here are benchmarks of a mobile SoC emulating x86.

https://www.techspot.com/amp/review/...nce/page2.html

The Qualcomm 8xc is their notebook SoC supposedly competes with Intel's Core i5 8250U

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/qu...rks,39443.html

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https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...-x86-emulation

Here are benchmarks of a mobile SoC emulating x86.

https://www.techspot.com/amp/review/...nce/page2.html

The Qualcomm 8xc is their notebook SoC supposedly competes with Intel's Core i5 8250U

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/qu...rks,39443.html
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Also, the Snapdragon laptop wasn’t running emulated benchmarks, so it’s not totally apples to apples.
I think if that Snapdragon laptop was running emulated apps instead of native, then performance would take a huge hit.

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A snapdragon laptop probably runs just as fast as an apple laptop. As much as apple throttles their intel parts.

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