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Navi10 is 419 EUR but what good is it when the cooler is to be replaced and custom cards are August at earliest, more likely September if previous AMD launches are to go by.
2070 Super custom card saw as low as 480 EUR. And 2070 is around 450 EUR.
But does it have to be replaced? If undervolting makes them run both cooler and higher clocks, you could get away with that and a nice fan profile.

I know my blower GTX 980 ran well with 80C target, completely silent. Still running like a champ on my friends PC after 5 years.

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Dunno, my custom dual axial (cheap Armor variant from MSI) 2070 runs mostly passive, fans turn on at 60C+ and don't really go above 1500rpm under max loads with around 65C. Overclocked, 200W max.
Undervolting on AMD... you will lose performance, you can't magically run higher clocks at lower volts unless you were severely thermal limited which with blowers is to be expected. There is no fan profile adjustment on GPUs much, if you want custom curve it's all software adjustment of the fan, polling the GPU for temps. and sending updated desired fan speed to the GPU each second etc. That software, afterburner, etc. goes down and you get stuck on some last set fan speed, not good is it. Say you're encoding videos with post processing for hours, go away, come back thing is crashed fan stopped or barely spinning and GPU cooked itself... not a good day. Where as with fan being controlled by the VBIOS, by hardware itself, the fan 99% will keep spinning and adjusting even when there are software issues and crashes from instability.

Blowers are not worth it, ever. Any older cooler even from a 290 that people used on Navi (with no shroud) already is way better.

You won't get near 30dB with a blower and good cooling. Navi is in the high 40s while Vega was even high 50s dB.
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RTX 2070 Armor is actually one of the best RTX 2070s especially if you consider it has a metal backplate , reasonable (not 1800 or 2000) fan speed, the same number of heatpipes as Gaming X, and fan stop.
This month it is selling for around $430 (also MSI Gaming one) which makes those RTX 2060 Super cards look terrible.
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RTX 2070 Armor is actually one of the best RTX 2070s especially if you consider it has a metal backplate , reasonable (not 1800 or 2000) fan speed, the same number of heatpipes as Gaming X, and fan stop.
This month it is selling for around $430 (also MSI Gaming one) which makes those RTX 2060 Super cards look terrible.

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Gaming X has more RGB and as far as I can tell the Gaming X has higher power limit , 4 extra powerblocks, a full baseplate instead of directtouch heatpipe (also one seems to be 8mm thick), a VRM heatsink plate rather than a thermal pad to contact the main heatsink, and possibly higher binning to reach the minorly higher clockspeed. This is based off reviews *.

There really is no point to the RTX 2060 super at the moment.

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* I'm not getting a consumer RTX card, if I buy RTX anything it will be Quadro RTX 4000 ($900 at the moment , TU104 with NVLink) or RTX 3000 (TU106 , if they launch it on desktop) for rasterization performance and tensor cores with pro drivers.

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Quote: Originally Posted by AlphaC View Post
Gaming X has more RGB and as far as I can tell the Gaming X has higher power limit , 4 extra powerblocks, a full baseplate instead of directtouch heatpipe (also one seems to be 8mm thick), a VRM heatsink plate rather than a thermal pad to contact the main heatsink, and possibly higher binning to reach the minorly higher clockspeed. This is based off reviews *.

There really is no point to the RTX 2060 super at the moment.

MSI "Gaming":
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https://www.techpowerup.com/review/m...aming-z/5.html

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https://www.kitguru.net/components/g...Speed=noscript
https://www.overclockersclub.com/rev...0_armor_8g_oc/


* I'm not getting a consumer RTX card, if I buy RTX anything it will be Quadro RTX 4000 ($900 at the moment , TU104 with NVLink) or RTX 3000 (TU106 , if they launch it on desktop) for rasterization performance and tensor cores with pro drivers.

Informative as always, have some Rep+

I checked the prices of the discounted RTX 2070's over where I am, and indeed, the 2060 Super prices are way too close.

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Am i living in the past to prefer reference PCB from the company themselves outside of a lightening or Classified or HOF these days? I know i went through 4 XFX 7970s. Sold the remaining two from warranty work and moved to a Diamond reference and never looked back.

Granted never had that problem from any other AIB on green i've mostly gone EVGA with the exception of the mini 1080 from Zotac and red i lean Sapphire or MSI if they have a lightening edition card.

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Dunno, my custom dual axial (cheap Armor variant from MSI) 2070 runs mostly passive, fans turn on at 60C+ and don't really go above 1500rpm under max loads with around 65C. Overclocked, 200W max.
Undervolting on AMD... you will lose performance, you can't magically run higher clocks at lower volts unless you were severely thermal limited which with blowers is to be expected. There is no fan profile adjustment on GPUs much, if you want custom curve it's all software adjustment of the fan, polling the GPU for temps. and sending updated desired fan speed to the GPU each second etc. That software, afterburner, etc. goes down and you get stuck on some last set fan speed, not good is it. Say you're encoding videos with post processing for hours, go away, come back thing is crashed fan stopped or barely spinning and GPU cooked itself... not a good day. Where as with fan being controlled by the VBIOS, by hardware itself, the fan 99% will keep spinning and adjusting even when there are software issues and crashes from instability.

Blowers are not worth it, ever. Any older cooler even from a 290 that people used on Navi (with no shroud) already is way better.

You won't get near 30dB with a blower and good cooling. Navi is in the high 40s while Vega was even high 50s dB.
I recall only one company blowing up customers gpus shutting down fan, but I'm not sure regarding the name.....

AMD has fan control on driver level with wattman and yes, undervolting Navi does not make you loose anything, you might get more consistent boost frequency instead, so, better performance (some % but opposite what you claim) ....vega the same......

You don't like blowers navi? Ok, good, but retain from spreading terror posts all over the place....

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So both the RTX 2060 and 2070 supers got their reviews public a week before their listed launch dates (July 9), but I read the RTX 2080 super is supposed to launch on July 23, so I'm wondering if its review will made public prior to its official launch like the 2060 and 2070, or will we have to wait until launch day for the reviews?
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