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Quote: Originally Posted by Asmodian View Post
I am not at all impressed by the sharpening... too much time looking at various sharpening filters for video, it has the classic look of over sharpened.

DLSS is bad too, I want DLSS that runs as pure AA on native resolution rendering, not this upscaling crap.
Apart from actually increasing the monitor's resolution, you still can't beat good ol' OGSSAA. If there was one reason to go severely overkill on the GPU side it would've been for OGSSAA. Too bad traditional MSAA died and most post-DX9 games don't support it anymore.

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Apart from actually increasing the monitor's resolution, you still can't beat good ol' OGSSAA. If there was one reason to go severely overkill on the GPU side it would've been for OGSSAA. Too bad traditional MSAA died and most post-DX9 games don't support it anymore.
I think a neural net trained to AA a 4K image using a 64 sample SSAA version as the ground truth could do a very good job without needing to render to an even higher resolution. If only we had that instead of something that is also trying to upscale from 1440p. At 1440p we simply do not have enough pixels to generate a useful 4K image with a trained neural net, e.g. all the shimmer in small details. Actually running 8x SSAA would be even better, of course, but the performance hit from needing to render to 22720x17280 would be pretty extreme.

I am not sure how AMD's sharpening is even comparable to DLSS, AMD is not upscaling and does not attempt to do AA with RIS. Why are people comparing AMD rendering to 4K and then sharpening to Nvidia upscaling to 4K and attempting to do AA with a neural net? Shouldn't we be comparing AMD running at 1440p with RIS to "4K" DLSS?

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AMD sharpening actually has some use to it. More press should be testing this and point that out.
Yes, because applying a contrast-adaptive sharpening filter after rendering is so new and helpful.

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Yes, because applying a contrast-adaptive sharpening filter after rendering is so new and helpful.
With the performance hit of 1-2 frames vs reshade performance hit... vs dlss blurring vs nothing at all...it is.
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Why are we even comparing RIS to DLSS when DSR is still a thing? Did everybody forget DSR still exists as a "sorta kinda" spiritual successor to OGSSAA? Or better yet, compare it to SMAA?

Yeah I get RIS is not AA and does not claim to be AA, but if the end results are largely the same (specifically SMAA), wouldn't that be a much more worthwhile comparison?

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With the performance hit of 1-2 frames vs reshade performance hit... vs dlss blurring vs nothing at all...it is. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif[/IMG]
nVidia FreeStyle does the same thing as RIS and more. AMD is working on a DLSS competitor using DirectML. DLSS can be used with Freestyles' sharpening.

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nVidia FreeStyle does the same thing as RIS and more. AMD is working on a DLSS competitor using DirectML. DLSS can be used with Freestyles' sharpening.
I had to look up freestyle... What is the point of dlss if freestyle can do the same thing w/o the performance hit?
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I had to look up freestyle... What is the point of dlss if freestyle can do the same thing w/o the performance hit?
One Super Samples the other sharpens. If I had a RX 5700 XT I would enable VSR along with RIS.

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Ok...knowing what we know about filters...if we can do it real time.....then why not focus on them?
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I think its because there is still a third player involved, Nvidia. AMD wanted something out ahead of or contemporary with the Super release.

Like a lot of people now are seeing that the 5700 and 5700x trade blows even with horrible coolers with a 2060S or 2070S in certain titles, at lower cost. Those people might just wait the extra month.

If AMD had absolutely zilch out I think the number of people who would wait would be a lot smaller.

Fair point, although that would mean that Nvidia wasn't exactly responding with Super to AMD's Navi. Or if they were, it still means that AMD can't get a synchronized release with AIB's without Nvidia knowing.

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