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post #21 of 47 (permalink) Old 07-24-2019, 06:33 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by keikei View Post
The only fair comparison here is reference. We are not going by pov, but launch prices:

  • 5700, $350 vs 2060S, $400
  • 5700XT, $400 vs 2070S, $500

Performance is not identical, but $/performance, Navi wins.
"by pov" I was referring to the fact that nvidia cards since FE are not anymore reference models (made to be cheap but at least to do the job) navi reference cards are behind in terms of build quality because nvidia made their own customs (they charged more than basic aibs partners, so...) so to be fair the $/perf should be done on next navi aibs model will be 50$ more

that's all

I'm impressed by navi cards, don't get me wrong....but I'm not so confident that big navi will make the gpu like it was 10 years ago where top tier gpu was max 500$ with big jump from prev top....

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Quote: Originally Posted by ilmazzo View Post
"by pov" I was referring to the fact that nvidia cards since FE are not anymore reference models (made to be cheap but at least to do the job) navi reference cards are behind in terms of build quality because nvidia made their own customs (they charged more than basic aibs partners, so...) so to be fair the $/perf should be done on next navi aibs model will be 50$ more

that's all

I'm impressed by navi cards, don't get me wrong....but I'm not so confident that big navi will make the gpu like it was 10 years ago where top tier gpu was max 500$ with big jump from prev top....
It is nothing like 10 years ago. To get big performance now you have to spend more money. As good as Nvidia is I think they are weak because the only way for them to advance is to make more expensive products. The real achievement is improving price/performance. Everything else does not matter.

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2 and half years after the 1080ti.

10-15% faster with 27% less vram and near the same price.

Can't tell if we are crawling forward or maybe tripping backwards.

Anyone sitting on a 1070 or better from the 10 series really has minimal reason to upgrade at this point. Hell even a good overclocked 980ti is still not much reason to budge yet.
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2 and half years after the 1080ti.

10-15% faster with 27% less vram and near the same price.

Can't tell if we are crawling forward or maybe tripping backwards.

Anyone sitting on a 1070 or better from the 10 series really has minimal reason to upgrade at this point. Hell even a good overclocked 980ti is still not much reason to budge yet.
This is still blowing my mind that people are not grasping what the super line is and what its for. This is not supposed to be some new shiny upgrade for 2080 or 2080ti guys. Its not a money grab. They have retired the 2080 in an effort to get rid of the rest of the silicon that originally didnt fit into their GPU tiers. This is not the first time they have done this. What do you guys think the 1070ti was? It was a 1080 that didnt pass QC but was too powerful to be a 1070. There is hundreds of millions of dollars of silicon yields and not all of it is perfect. They are simply gathering together what they can to make a few more lines, and retiring the lines that would be irrelevant. You are not expected to sell your 2080 for pennies on the dollar to get a 2080s. But lets say you are a 980 guy or a 1060 6g guy that wants a big upgrade but cant afford the 2080Ti. This is an awesome GPU for you. Its not meant to be this NEXT GEN WOW launch. They are simply retiring the lower tier gpus, and bringing out better ones at the same prices???1?!?! Thats amazing. I bought a 2080 a week ago as an interim solution until my 2080 S gets here....FOR THE SAME PRICE. I returned my 2080 yesterday and the super should be here today. Win-win. To the reviewers who are complaining at only 6% gains and whatnot, you are not reviewing them correctly. They are not for comparison to their nonsuper counterparts because you shouldnt be stupid enough to sell a 2080 wholesale for a 2080s. I didnt lose a penny because I was able to return my 2080, but had I not been able to then its no question I would have held on to it until the next gen.
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Quote: Originally Posted by doom26464 View Post
2 and half years after the 1080ti.

10-15% faster with 27% less vram and near the same price.

Can't tell if we are crawling forward or maybe tripping backwards.

Anyone sitting on a 1070 or better from the 10 series really has minimal reason to upgrade at this point. Hell even a good overclocked 980ti is still not much reason to budge yet.
This is still blowing my mind that people are not grasping what the super line is and what its for. This is not supposed to be some new shiny upgrade for 2080 or 2080ti guys. Its not a money grab. They have retired the 2080 in an effort to get rid of the rest of the silicon that originally didnt fit into their GPU tiers. This is not the first time they have done this. What do you guys think the 1070ti was? It was a 1080 that didnt pass QC but was too powerful to be a 1070. There is hundreds of millions of dollars of silicon yields and not all of it is perfect. They are simply gathering together what they can to make a few more lines, and retiring the lines that would be irrelevant. You are not expected to sell your 2080 for pennies on the dollar to get a 2080s. But lets say you are a 980 guy or a 1060 6g guy that wants a big upgrade but cant afford the 2080Ti. This is an awesome GPU for you. Its not meant to be this NEXT GEN WOW launch. They are simply retiring the lower tier gpus, and bringing out better ones at the same prices???1?!?! Thats amazing. I bought a 2080 a week ago as an interim solution until my 2080 S gets here....FOR THE SAME PRICE. I returned my 2080 yesterday and the super should be here today. Win-win. To the reviewers who are complaining at only 6% gains and whatnot, you are not reviewing them correctly. They are not for comparison to their nonsuper counterparts because you shouldnt be stupid enough to sell a 2080 wholesale for a 2080s. I didnt lose a penny because I was able to return my 2080, but had I not been able to then its no question I would have held on to it until the next gen.
Why did you quote me? None of your points have anything to do with what I said.


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What a strange chart... 2080 ti only 6% faster then the 2080 super... 5700 below the 2060 super... I hope people actually click on some of those links.



Even though it's a modest bump, better then nothing? MSRP price with higher performance. It must be nice not having any competition at that price point. What would be competitive. 1660 ti $240 2060 $300 2060 Super $350 2070 Super $440. What would be Super 1660 ti 200$ 2060 250$ 2060 Super $300 2070 Super 350$, 2080S 500$, 2080 ti 700$.


But both AMD and Nvida still haven't gone back to premining prices despite the fact bitcoin has dropped long ago.



Really though people who own a Radeon vii, you can still sell it used for 650$+ and grab a 2080 Super if all you do is game. Or wait and hope it holds onto it's mining resell value.







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This is by far the most pointless card I've ever seen.
I truly wonder who will admit to going from a 1080ti to 2080 to 2080 super. I know you are out there.
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For gaming? Post VII, I really doubt it. AMD might bring bigger navi earlier than expected, but other than that, I'm not sure AMD has any respond at this point until next year.
Of course not just for gaming, the Turing RTX 20 series isn't just for gaming either. Along with the Radeon Pro Vega II announcement at Siggraph 2019 I hope AMD launches a fully unlocked Vega 20 for consumers with the same price tag as the Radeon VII.

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This is by far the most pointless card I've ever seen.
I truly wonder who will admit to going from a 1080ti to 2080 to 2080 super. I know you are out there.
Is it pointless for the guy going from a 1060 or a 1070? Yeah didnt think so.
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The value proposition is horrible. The 2080S gets sandbagged in order to keep the Ti relevant. As you state, there is a clear $/perf window here, but Nvidia is betting AMD has no answer in the highend range, so they will hold the status quo. If AMD has an answer, I hope its soon...for my sake.
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