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post #11 of 43 (permalink) Old 07-26-2019, 08:52 AM
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What even is the best X570 board right now? When i inevitably build a Zen 2 PC when high end Navi launches i want to get a good board and was looking at the Taichi as when i played around with the X370 Taichi a couple of years ago and a 1700 i was impressed with that board. Currently using a Z270 Crosshair Hero, can't really complain about it but i don't really have any brand loyalty to Asus at all, just want the best board for the money in the $2-300 range.
I think the Gigabyte Aorus Master (a tad over $300) is probably the most balanced and best features for the price board on higher-end X570.
More in your pricing, I would say the Aorus-Pro WIFI Or the ASrock Taichi

As mentioned, you can also get an X470 and save a bunch. I grabbed an Aorus X470 Gaming 7 before stock runs out for about $220.
I am not looking at PCI-E 4.0 for a few years, unless storage goes crazy and actually makes a real-world improvement over my 960 PRO, which i doubt for everyday use.
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I posted this in the AM4 VRM thread a day before Videocardz even had it up. That's where it belongs, not HW news.

Anyway, hardwareinfo NL did testing already and ASUS' results are really bogus https://nl.hardware.info/artikel/941...-met-een-3900x

  • Aorus Xtreme as expected is the coolest board between MSI Godlike and ASUS ROG Formula. You'd have to be a real ASUS believer to think 14x 70A TDA21472 driven by a 14 phase direct PWM (additional 2 phases for SOC for 16 total) with a real heatsink + 95% coverage in metal is inferior to 14x 60A IR3555 "teamed".
  • Aorus Master is about as cool as the ASUS ROG Formula & cooler than ROG Hero. Considering the 12x 50A IR3556 setup has the same footprint per powerstage vs the 14x IR3555 on the ROG Hero I'd say the heatsinking is far better and the new Infineon "direct" PWM layout is working.
  • Taichi, MSI Ace, and Aorus Pro /Ultra within a few degrees of STRIX X570-E.
  • Aorus Elite is cooler than the TUF by negligible amount (~1°C) at backside and on par with Prime X570 Pro.
  • Gigabyte X570 Gaming X is underperforming due to mosfets on backside, no surprise. 50°C/W thermal conductivity for the 4C06N low side fet to ambient (non heatsinked). If you pump close to 20W per set of 2 low side fets (200W total into CPU) even if the layout reached 88% efficiency you'd have 90°C.
The PCB layer count is definitely wrong. Anything with SLI support is highly likely to be 6+ layers for PCie 4.0 reasons.
Aorus Xtreme is 8 layer and so is the ITX board, Aorus Ultra down to Pro are 6 layer, and the Aorus Elite + Gaming X are 4 layers.
MSI's Godlike is 8 layer , MSI's Creation & ACE is 6, MSI's lower end "MPG" non-SLI boards (Pro Carbon, Edge, Gaming Plus) are 4 layers.

There's also the glaring omission of how their flagship is missing 10G LAN in place of their 5G LAN and how every other $300+ board has 3x M.2 for PCIE 4.0 (which is the main reason to go PCIE 4.0).

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The gigabyte master is what I chose to buy. If Asus would have brought a motherboard to the table that wasn't missing something I wanted I probably would have went with them (I like their bios). The lack of a third nvme slot made their entire lineup undesirable to me, and there doesn't seem to be much of a need to spend time in the bios with Ryzen 2.

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Tech news is in slow season. Choosing the right mobo is always up to the individual in the end. My thoughts between Gigabyte and Asus. Not much experience on MSI/Asrock/etc

Gigabyte: Best VRM cooling out there with there bang for buck motherboards having better ones than rest of industry. Feature Rich but some odd design choices and takes time to learn bios
Asus: Overpriced, Not as good as VRM but generally reliable motherboards and most of us used to there bios. Can only buy there top tiered motherboards though now (mid tier and below, I would go gigabyte)

I would have gotten the Aorus Master X570 if they had more high speed USB ports (why do we need 4 usb 2.0 ports now) or the MSI X570 Creation (includes built in 10Gbe ethernet) had I seen it in person earlier.
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The gigabyte master is what I chose to buy. If Asus would have brought a motherboard to the table that wasn't missing something I wanted I probably would have went with them (I like their bios). The lack of a third nvme slot made their entire lineup undesirable to me, and there doesn't seem to be much of a need to spend time in the bios with Ryzen 2.
Apparently gigabyte bios works best out of the box. I always use manual settings and its not so easy with gigabyte bios. I have an Z390 Master for my work computer (asus z390 doublers scared me away) but I had issues with manual OC and also bios updates bricking easily. However, I will live with the X570 Hero as my upgrade cycle is ever 2-3years for CPU and around 2years for GPU. That will take me till 2020/2021 for GPU (2080TI successor and competitors) and 2022/2023 for CPU (Ocean Cove).

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Well it appears as though the best way to manually overclock ryzen 2 is the per ccx overclock, as far as I know this isn't available in any bios (yet).

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IThere's also the glaring omission of how their flagship is missing 10G LAN in place of their 5G LAN and how every other $300+ board has 3x M.2 for PCIE 4.0 (which is the main reason to go PCIE 4.0).
Not that it matters to 95% of buyers, but they also failed to mention the C8H for all its supposed superiority lacks a PS/2 port.

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I've always used asus for their stability and bios options. So far, no regrets. However those slides are meh. 6 layer pcb vs 4 .. lol
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Exactly why I don't support ASUS anymore for all of their products. They got extra cocky, raised prices, and yet they are putting out bullcrap like this. Gigabyte stepped up this gen, but there will always be MSI and AsRock in the market, to which I lean towards AsRock every time.

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