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Quote: Originally Posted by bucdan View Post
Exactly why I don't support ASUS anymore for all of their products. They got extra cocky, raised prices, and yet they are putting out bullcrap like this. Gigabyte stepped up this gen, but there will always be MSI and AsRock in the market, to which I lean towards AsRock every time.
Gigabyte budget friendly mobos are the best deal this gen. You might regret buying the enthusiast grade X570 master down the road. We all know AMD will be moving away from AM4 for ryzen 3 (based on tsmc 5nm) and by then some new features will become more standard. Only matter of time till built in 10Gbe ethernet, PCIE 5.0, etc become standard stuff. Even I am starting to look into ways to implement 10Gbe but without having to get access into the house's drywall and replace all the cat 5e cables.
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Not that it matters to 95% of buyers, but they also failed to mention the C8H for all its supposed superiority lacks a PS/2 port.
What's a ps/2 port good for nowadays?

Also, for the other boards that have ps/2, is that native or are they using some kind of converter to get the ps/2 signal?

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PS/2 acts as an interrupt (rather than polled) and on MSI Ace + Asrock Phantom Gaming X & Taichi it connects directly to the SuperIO chip from Nuvoton (on ASUS and Gigabyte it's ITE SuperIO chip for these functions)
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If you have a keyboard with n-key rollover , PS/2 is superior.

If you have USB lockout on boot due to security reasons * or your USB controller or hub dies on a board, PS/2 is superior for keyboard support to get into BIOS. Fast Boot sometimes skips USB detection as well. If you're using a legacy OS then PS/2 is also a superior choice for compatibility reasons (some people try to use PS/2 for benching on legacy OS with LN2).

People using IBM Model M keyboards generally buy PS/2 to USB adapters these days though.


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First they crap my intel z170 bios.. then they release an absolut crap strix vega 64 card and now this. Glad im not supporting Asus anymore.
Wait I have a Z170 Asus board. How did they crap your bios and what revision was it?

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What's a ps/2 port good for nowadays?

Also, for the other boards that have ps/2, is that native or are they using some kind of converter to get the ps/2 signal?
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It's more about Asus being hypocritical. Do 2 extra layers of PCB and 2 extra fake VRM phases really matter to someone not doing XOC? Almost certainly not. Likewise a PS/2 port is useless to most people, but high end board include it as another differentiating feature, something Asus left out on their flagship board for god knows why.

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Lol they talk about layers but not the copper thickness. My Gigabyte from 2009 has 2oz copper advertised. The board lasted me 10 full years running severely overclocked chips. As it stands, my X5650 is at 4.4GHz.

I just bought my 2nd Gigabyte, a X299 board. I have the same board at work in my computer, and 2 others I built for co-workers. I7 7800x @ 4.8GHz easy, and one CAD station i7 7820X @ 4.1GHz(thermals bruuu)

I will continue to purchase Gigabyte motherboards.
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Wait I have a Z170 Asus board. How did they crap your bios and what revision was it?
Z170-AR .. dont rememer what bios but before spectre fixes. Lowered my overclock but more severe i couldnt run 2 sticks of ram. System became very unstable with very random behavior. Could work one day then next day complete mess. Only real fix was to run with 1 stick. BTW i run these same sticks in my new ryzen msi board zero problems
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I have had a good run with the Asus Crosshair boards ( [email protected] and [email protected] ) but have had multiple failures with their Strix ITX boards , all have been repaired under warranty , only one has failed to where it would not boot , I have A gigabyte board ( no issues ) and an Asrock taichi X470 that I am quite impressed with as well .The Taichi is my current Linux box , it just worked on mint straight out of the box , on mint 19
Asus does not need their PR team to spread B.S. they just need to bring their quality back to where it was ( they could improve their RMA process a bit ) and their products sell themselves .
I would think twice about their Strix series though .
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Regarding the hardware info test, to be fair, they are using the 12 core part. maybe asus design will play better with the 16 cores.
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Regarding the hardware info test, to be fair, they are using the 12 core part. maybe asus design will play better with the 16 cores.
Maybe for the lower boards vs boards with doublers (due to the doubler delay *), but most definitely not their flagship. The math definitely doesn't check out unless you're pumping water through the Formula.

Assume you have 3 boards.

One (Xtreme) is driven by a state of the art (for computing) 16 phase direct PWM with fourteen 70A TDA21472 powerstages (peak efficiency ~95%) for VCORE and has a finned heatsink , thermal backplate, and 95% board coverage with metal. On a 8 layer PCB with 2oz copper. Keep in mind having actual 14 phases with current monitoring means you can achieve higher efficiency across the whole powerband (across more current values).

The other (Godlike) has 14 phases doubled from 7 to fourteen 70 TDA21472 powerstages (peak efficiency ~95%) for VCORE, 8 layer PCB, and minimal fin area.

The ASUS one has 7 phase "teamed" to 14 60A IR3555 powerstages (peak efficiency ~93.5%) for VCORE , minimal fin area compensated by using a backplate, and likely 8 layer PCB.

Guess what? That's exactly what the hardware info NL test shows: Xtreme ahead of Godlike which is ahead of ROG Formula/Hero.

The only way that the direct 14 phases is worse than 14 phases from teaming 7 is if the voltage being pumped in is absurd for the direct 14 phase while being a moderate 1.3V for the teamed design or if they're running at an operating point where the efficiency is lower for TDA21472 than IR3555. That still doesn't account for the fin area either and if you're not running water through the Formula the air inside the VRM waterblock acts as an insulator.

Until we have 16 cores in September I'm more inclined to believe it is ASUS manipulating BIOS settings than the ROG boards being superior to the Godlike and Xtreme. If you believe ASUS then they're preying on people's non-engineering gullibility.



* IR3599 ~8ns rise/fall transition ; propagation delay ~9-10ns https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/ir3599...5355cdb56a176f
* ISL6617 ~4.5ns rise/fall transition ; propagation delay ~35ns https://www.renesas.com/us/en/www/do...et/isl6617.pdf


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P.S. in videocardz' comments section (older b450 comparison):
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We know this to be distinctly false and physically impossible.
Tomahawk has better mosfets (4c024N+4c029N instead of 4c09n +4C06n) and 2x the high side fets along with a bigger extended heatsink
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