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According to AnandTech's sources, it seems like it's going to be a mess later this year, with Intel scrambling 10nm Ice Lake-U and 14nm Comet Lake-U in the same 10th Gen Core lineup:


https://www.anandtech.com/show/14514...-sunny-cove/11

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At the same time that Intel is releasing Ice Lake, we have confirmed from multiple sources that the company intends to release another generation of mobile products based on 14nm as well. This line of hardware, also called Intel 10th Gen Core, will be under the internal codename ‘Comet Lake’, and go after a similar power distribution to what Ice Lake will.
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Should Intel go ahead with the naming scheme, it is going to offer a cluster of mixed messages, even to end-users that understand the naming scheme. For those that don’t, there might not be an obvious way to tell a 10th Gen Ice Lake system and a 10th Gen Comet Lake system part from just reading the specification sheet, especially if the vendor lists it just as ‘10th Gen Core i7’.

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My brain says get a 3900X and a high end X570 board and benefit from the insane MT capabilities. ST performance is shy of the current 9900K, however, it has 4 more cores and associated threads. My heart tells me wait for a 10 core 20 thread Comet Lake processor on 14nm which may very well perform better than the 3900X, if at a higher cost and more heat output. However, it'll be headache and debugging free for me. I'd really love to go back to AMD after having not used them for close to 20 years but the reality is it seems you still need to configure and pick out parts to avoid problems down the line. I was hoping AMD had gotten past that hump and didn't have troublesome launches.

Unless y'all can recommend a way to extend more life out of a 4th gen IvyE workstation processor.

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My brain says get a 3900X and a high end X570 board and benefit from the insane MT capabilities. ST performance is shy of the current 9900K, however, it has 4 more cores and associated threads. My heart tells me wait for a 10 core 20 thread Comet Lake processor on 14nm which may very well perform better than the 3900X, if at a higher cost and more heat output. However, it'll be headache and debugging free for me. I'd really love to go back to AMD after having not used them for close to 20 years but the reality is it seems you still need to configure and pick out parts to avoid problems down the line. I was hoping AMD had gotten past that hump and didn't have troublesome launches.

Unless y'all can recommend a way to extend more life out of a 4th gen IvyE workstation processor.
Unless you need more FPS at 720p, get a 3900X.

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According to AnandTech's sources, it seems like it's going to be a mess later this year, with Intel scrambling 10nm Ice Lake-U and 14nm Comet Lake-U in the same 10th Gen Core lineup:


https://www.anandtech.com/show/14514...-sunny-cove/11
This is proof that Intel's 10nm process is plagued by low yields.

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ice lake looks great in arch and iGPU, but the big elephant in the room looks to be how bad the 10nm+ is, since Intel rate their TDP based on the Base clock, how comes that the base clocks at same TDP dropped by 60%!?, if we look at i5-1035G1 with the least powerful iGPU and compare it to even older i5-8250U, looks at the clock difference, you get 1Ghz on 10nm+ vs 1.6Ghz on 14nm+, where is the "shrink benefits" that TSMC got from their shrink ?"
and now TSMC already has N7P and N7+.

Looks like this 10nm vs 14nm+ comparison is still relevant, the 10nm uses too much power at base clock so maybe this is why they dropped the base clocks by 60% vs KB-R
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13405...-dive-review/7


So for now the 10nm+ looks DOA vs TSMC's N7/N7P, the question is how the new 7nm by Intel will perform?
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That's that much for Intel's node advantage. No wonder Intel are going to mix 14nm with their 10nm, which basically means their 14nm process is going to take over. How the mighty have fallen.

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AMD is lucky that Intel not making 5Ghz 4~8 core icelake on 14nm+++, that could have made Ryzen 3000 DOA :-).
Also, AMD is lucky that betting on TSMC's that they could deliver N7/N7P/N7+ on time with good performance was right, also in future they can also use Samsung's 7/5nm since the agreement with GF lets AMD to go for any <12nm solution without paying GF.
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Quote: Originally Posted by tpi2007 View Post
According to AnandTech's sources, it seems like it's going to be a mess later this year, with Intel scrambling 10nm Ice Lake-U and 14nm Comet Lake-U in the same 10th Gen Core lineup:


https://www.anandtech.com/show/14514...-sunny-cove/11
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AMD is lucky that Intel not making 5Ghz 4~8 core icelake on 14nm+++, that could have made Ryzen 3000 DOA :-).
Also, AMD is lucky that betting on TSMC's that they could deliver N7/N7P/N7+ on time with good performance was right, also in future they can also use Samsung's 7/5nm since the agreement with GF lets AMD to go for any <12nm solution without paying GF.
Can't tell if serious or trolling. Either way you are correct, AMD are very lucky the 9900K(FC) doesn't exist.

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