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post #11 of 38 (permalink) Old 08-03-2019, 02:48 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by breenemeister View Post
B-Die Finder says no on these. There is one letter off, but could just be unknown to them.

TXBD416G4133HC18EDC01 is verified B Die
TXKD416G4133HC18FDC01 is what shows on these. Just one little letter.
It is b-die memory according to thaiphoon burner at least mine I got from Amazon a few months ago are. (TXKD416G4133HC18FDC01 on box "selected samsung ic") This memory is quite a bit taller than trident z though fyi.

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I thought B-dies were no longer required for the 3xxx's.

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I thought B-dies were no longer required for the 3xxx's.
Curious about this as well. I assumed B-die was necessary for tight timings and high speed. Or was it just compatibility?

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Curious about this as well. I assumed B-die was necessary for tight timings and high speed. Or was it just compatibility?
B-dies were necessary for the first and second generation Zen chips (speed and timing), but I thought this RAM compatibility had been solved in the third generation and that any kit would basically work over 2100MHz on the 3xxx's.

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B-Die Finder says no on these. There is one letter off, but could just be unknown to them.

TXBD416G4133HC18EDC01 is verified B Die
TXKD416G4133HC18FDC01 is what shows on these. Just one little letter.
Thaiphoon Burner shows all 8 sticks I purchased are B-Die. Last kit I bought was on 7/9/2019 from Newegg.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Liranan View Post
B-dies were necessary for the first and second generation Zen chips (speed and timing), but I thought this RAM compatibility had been solved in the third generation and that any kit would basically work over 2100MHz on the 3xxx's.
That is correct. Official memory support went higher mhz as well. 1st one had 2667, then 2933 and now 3200 mhz supported officially.

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"With the 3rd generation Ryzen "Zen 2" processors and AMD's decision to disintegrate the memory controller from the die that has CPU cores, the memory finds itself unshackled from other low-frequency clock domains. AMD is also motivated to improve this memory controller since the doubling in CPU core-count over generations increases the demands on memory bandwidth. This dual-channel DDR4 memory controller is located in the processor's 12 nm I/O controller die (highlighted in the picture above). The two 7 nm 8-core CPU chiplets talk to this die over 100 GB/s Infinity Fabric links. At a topology-level, AMD detains the dual DCT approach to dual channel, which the company would refer to as an "unganged" interface, with two independent 64-bit paths to the memory modules instead of a blindly interleaved interface. This greatly benefits high core-count scenarios, particularly with the Ryzen 9 series chips. "

"The Infinity Fabric frequency can now either be synchronized to memory clock or unlinked from it, using various dividers. This will come in handy when running memory clocks higher than DDR4-3600, at which point the Infinity Fabric link on older generations of Ryzen processors would become unstable—on Zen 2, simply reduce the Infinity Fabric frequency and you're good to go. AMD has also introduced a plethora of new memory timing and voltage control settings that are designed to improve memory compatibility at high clock speeds."

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Seems that tight timings + OCing your IF as high as you can go is more important than raw memory frequency:


Also, inb4 Linus is an idiot, this testing was done by Anthony.

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Seems that tight timings + OCing your IF as high as you can go is more important than raw memory frequency:
I'd like to see some results with speeds at 4200Mhz+

I thought Zen 2 was capable?

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I didn't have any trouble with throwing in 4 sticks (2-2x8gb kits) of 3600mhz ram that was advertised as Intel platform, all I had to do was set the profile and reboot. I know 3600mhz isn't blowing any doors off but it was a pleasurable experience compared to getting 3200mhz to work on my 2700x.

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I'd like to see some results with speeds at 4200Mhz+

I thought Zen 2 was capable?
Zen2 max is 3800MHz. After that, u have to break the ratio between mclk and fclk which results in lower performance.

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