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The cards are already being phased away by AIB models that manage to keep the 5700/XT cool without trying.
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Although true, what you are left with is basically a hair dryer that can run games.
I was just trying to show that it is not normal to be at 110 tj max on the 5700 xt and non xt. That GN video shows us normal tj max temps etc.


p.s. The heat output into your house is limited by the wattage. A 300 watt card running at 300 watt\70c tjmax is going to put out more heat into your house then a a 280 watt card running at 280watt\90c tj max. If it's your case fan or the blower, that heat is going to make it's way out of the case one way or another. That said, yes it's very true blower cards do not cool as quiet as aib cards.

Your card can run at 110 but that's not how it should be running.



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That said, yes it's very true blower cards do not cool as well aib cards.

***At the same dba/fan rpm that is***

Modern reference cards cool quite well otherwise, especially if your ambient temp isn't bad and you don't mind bumping up the fan rpm a bit. 90% of the time I'm using my headphones and my houses is around 66°-70°F typically. My case also has a Silverstone FHP141 (140mm x 38mm) intake fan at the bottom that feeds air into my V64 as well. No problem keeping my gpu at/under a max of 70°C - and that's with +155mhz on the HMB2 and the gpu core set to 1667mhz (typically holds 1630mhz)


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Quote: Originally Posted by Warrax22 View Post
AMD saying is fine is nothing more than damage control.

The problem is how fail this product is...they are so desperate to compete with Nvidia that they need to overclock their GPUs to a point where it need to reach these stupid temps to close the gap with Nvidia. The GPU might last 3 years but will still die prematurely. Heat reduce the life span of electronics and GPUs are no exceptions.
If that was the case everyone with a stock Radeon VII would of already reported multiple failures. This isn't the GPU core temperature but a hot spot. This is due to the heat density of 7nm, I expect nVidia to also have similar sensors with their 7nm parts.

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Anyone got any of those R9 290's that went up to 100C?

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Quote: Originally Posted by Sir Beregond View Post
Anyone got any of those R9 290's that went up to 100C?
After 94° it throttles. But again, much like my V64 (which has a far more pleasant fan noise from the reference cooler) easily remedied with headphones and a bit of rpm Thing was overvolted +100mv and oc'ed from 2013 until now as it's still in use. Really not concerned with lifetime on reference cards unless you do something ridiculous or have absolute piss poor conditions for the card and the pc as a whole.


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Quote: Originally Posted by Sir Beregond View Post
Anyone got any of those R9 290's that went up to 100C?
And GTX 480s did too. I don't remember anyone complaining about lifetime issues, Nvidia even enabled DX12 support for Fermi.

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We'll see how nVidia deals with thermal density when they release their 7nm parts.

I'm sure their current large GPUs that have 5120/4608 CUDA cores have a hot area that runs a couple degrees higher than the core temperature.
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If that was the case everyone with a stock Radeon VII would of already reported multiple failures. This isn't the GPU core temperature but a hot spot. This is due to the heat density of 7nm, I expect nVidia to also have similar sensors with their 7nm parts.
i will argue from personal experience (and observations of others' posts) that NV has known about hot spots since maxwell II; when voltage throttling at relatively low temps (~72c) started to happen.

oh pooh. kingpins forums are no more - too bad, vince posted a few times specifically mentioning that. though TiN mentions it briefly in the 980tiKPE OCing guide:
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There is also an overall increase of temperatures inside the chip structures internally on the GPU. At some point, the applied voltage is just not enough to keep the internal gates switching reliably and this creates errors/artifacts. The result is the GPU will crash. Raising voltage will provide that extra power the GPU needs, but it will also skyrocket GPUs temperatures internally. If you are still below “maximum” temperatures for a specific frequency, the GPU will remain stable and continue working well. There are safe typical temperature ranges for different voltages. These are like “sweet spots” with regards to voltage/frequency/temperature.
meh. not nearly the citation i was looking for.

i'll be a dollar to a doughnut that their marketing department will insist they continue to not disclose that info to look better than the competition.

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And GTX 480s did too. I don't remember anyone complaining about lifetime issues, Nvidia even enabled DX12 support for Fermi.
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