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Quote: Originally Posted by ltpdttcdft View Post
Is this licensed? Unless it's using >=20-year old tech there's a massive forest of patents you need to be able to make a GPU.
If so, why wasn't it blocked by the US under ITAR or similar laws?
Even if they magically copied or stole a whole design of US company, which NV and AMD... well are not really since plenty of their manufacturing is done by 3rd parties in Asia, ... US laws do not apply in China. So what are they going to block? Import into US? They don't care, they have multiple times many customers in China and the whole SEA. US market is miniscule in comparison.

In a trade war that the US loves to do right now between China and US... well China already owns a lot of US in a form of debt or something etc. and most manufacturing is done in China. So if there is one that has the upper hand and can seriously cripple the other it's China. But they don't need to, US is crippling itself anyway.
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Even if they magically copied or stole a whole design of US company, which NV and AMD... well are not really since plenty of their manufacturing is done by 3rd parties in Asia, ... US laws do not apply in China. So what are they going to block? Import into US? They don't care, they have multiple times many customers in China and the whole SEA. US market is miniscule in comparison.

In a trade war that the US loves to do right now between China and US... well China already owns a lot of US in a form of debt or something etc. and most manufacturing is done in China. So if there is one that has the upper hand and can seriously cripple the other it's China. But they don't need to, US is crippling itself anyway.
You started out strong in the first paragraph, then you spiraled into a completely unrelated anti-U.S. political rant /facepalm


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These threads always turn out the same. Have the chinese ever, even one time, put out something that we'd all like to have? At that time. I can't think of a single instance. Anything at all, that would compete with the western variant/brand. I mean the stuff is getting better, but it was getting better 10 years ago. I think that country is meant to produce goods for other countries. Not innovate. At least, not at this time. Maybe 25 years from now.

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"16GB HBM and GTX 1080-Like Performance"

So, a chinese Radeon VII?

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That's my thought entirely too. Also, a 200w TDP only? That's wishful thinking.

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Can't even imagine how much surveillance tech is in a GPU overtly made by the PLA

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As if anyone here will even be able to buy this GPU and use it in their home gaming system.
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It's probably stolen just like everything else. They'll also probably give it a similar name, like "Mvidia Gforce" or "AND Radon" just like these.


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These threads always turn out the same. Have the chinese ever, even one time, put out something that we'd all like to have? At that time. I can't think of a single instance. Anything at all, that would compete with the western variant/brand. I mean the stuff is getting better, but it was getting better 10 years ago. I think that country is meant to produce goods for other countries. Not innovate. At least, not at this time. Maybe 25 years from now.
5g? 13 min full charge phones? gunpowder (old news I know). These GPUs are an offset of the ones the military created for fighter jets. Compute unit cards.
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Can't even imagine how much surveillance tech is in a GPU overtly made by the PLA
Almost everyone in the world has a microphone in their pocket on a phone made in China lol.


















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These threads always turn out the same. Have the chinese ever, even one time, put out something that we'd all like to have? At that time. I can't think of a single instance. Anything at all, that would compete with the western variant/brand. I mean the stuff is getting better, but it was getting better 10 years ago. I think that country is meant to produce goods for other countries. Not innovate. At least, not at this time. Maybe 25 years from now.
For me Xiaomi phones are a great alternative to big names likes Samsung.
A lot of people in former eastern bloc like those chinese phones for their good price/performance ratio.
They are just affordable and better equipped than the competition.

Other xiaomi products are also getting popular. Autonomous vacuum cleaners, electric scooters, home appliances etc.

Huawei was known for even longer. Wireless modems came first IIRC (it's what I remember) and later phones with other equipment.

Ever heard of test equipment ?

Rigol is pretty much #1 choice for amateurs(DS1052E before and currently DS1054Z) when it comes to oscilloscopes.
There's also UNI-T for multimeters and other measuring equipment.

The thing with Chinese is kind of the same as Japan before.
Japan was weak but through years they managed to improve a lot.

At first some US electronics manufacturers started making their TV's and Radio equipment in Japan in order to make them cheaper.
Later the japanese companies learned to make products better and cheaper than their american competitors.
Various "famous" US companies of that time(eg.Zenith,RCA) are gone, meanwhile Japan companies are doing fine.
Why ? US companies stopped improving and thought that beeing american is enough to win the market.
Same went with automotive industry. First they laughed at those small japanese import cars and now ?


Currently Chinese are good at making the same stuff but cheaper.
In semiconductor industry they often make replacements of more expensive western chips.
Say Texas Instruments switching power supply chips are getting replaced with domestic XLsemi and other clones.
In space industry they based on soviet/russian designs but also came up with their own equipment later.

They became open to the west in 1970's which is pretty "recent".
So with time they should be able to make their own stuff.

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You started out strong in the first paragraph, then you spiraled into a completely unrelated anti-U.S. political rant /facepalm
The truth really does hurt.

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For me Xiaomi phones are a great alternative to big names likes Samsung.
A lot of people in former eastern bloc like those chinese phones for their good price/performance ratio.
They are just affordable and better equipped than the competition.

Other xiaomi products are also getting popular. Autonomous vacuum cleaners, electric scooters, home appliances etc.

Huawei was known for even longer. Wireless modems came first IIRC (it's what I remember) and later phones with other equipment.

Ever heard of test equipment ?

Rigol is pretty much #1 choice for amateurs(DS1052E before and currently DS1054Z) when it comes to oscilloscopes.
There's also UNI-T for multimeters and other measuring equipment.

The thing with Chinese is kind of the same as Japan before.
Japan was weak but through years they managed to improve a lot.

At first some US electronics manufacturers started making their TV's and Radio equipment in Japan in order to make them cheaper.
Later the japanese companies learned to make products better and cheaper than their american competitors.
Various "famous" US companies of that time(eg.Zenith,RCA) are gone, meanwhile Japan companies are doing fine.
Why ? US companies stopped improving and thought that beeing american is enough to win the market.
Same went with automotive industry. First they laughed at those small japanese import cars and now ?


Currently Chinese are good at making the same stuff but cheaper.
In semiconductor industry they often make replacements of more expensive western chips.
Say Texas Instruments switching power supply chips are getting replaced with domestic XLsemi and other clones.
In space industry they based on soviet/russian designs but also came up with their own equipment later.

They became open to the west in 1970's which is pretty "recent".
So with time they should be able to make their own stuff.
If this had been Twitter or Spybook you would have been banned for this post.

You are correct, a lot of chinese products are total rubbish. Their cars, motorbikes and a lot of electronic products are subpar and just not worth buying. A friend of mine liked to show off his Baojun car that runs like a dream until the car decided not to start anymore, after three years. On the other hand Huawei are the number one telecoms company in the world and Xiaomi, ZTE and others make damned good phones. But then GM didn't almost go bankrupt because they're the best. Their planned obsolescence got the better of them and people stopped buying their rubbish so Japanese cars took over. And, of course, there's Boeing, the perfect example of hubris, stupidity and greed.

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