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post #21 of 45 (permalink) Old 08-23-2019, 07:30 PM
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These threads always turn out the same. Have the chinese ever, even one time, put out something that we'd all like to have?

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You started out strong in the first paragraph, then you spiraled into a completely unrelated anti-U.S. political rant /facepalm
He isn't wrong. From a logistical standpoint, you may have the schematics for an equipment in America, also have a prototype of said equipment, but if you got any production model made from China or have your entire production facility in China, a la Nvidia / AMD /Intel, you just don't have a upper hand. You just wish your counterpart in China doesn't sell your blueprints to his friend next door and get their own manufacturing going with a different brand. What? You say you're going to sue them!!! *laughs in PRC*

Wrt the current trade wars the US in engaged in, the world in general & China in particular know things may change with the next election and so they haven't been punitive in their actions.

#2 their debt is insane, even for a "diverse field" company. They cannot even afford to service the debt maintenance let alone make an actual dent in the debt itself. - Internet Stranger
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I am confused. Are those NV based GPUs, that have been re-worked a bit, like the Dhyana CPUs?
They're "buffet" chips that combine blingword technologies into a component to sell at a high price but that won't actually run very well. Also it violates a couple hundred patents outside of China and is being manufactured by *the Government* of China so I'd bet you it'll have subsidy AND send occasional graphics frames to the thought police.

China has this big thing against pirates but now *they're* the pirate.

As to competence... China is the reason most modern networking hardware is called "Ethernet" when it hasn't been ethernet hardware since the mid 1990s'

They just kept putting the word on boxes.
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He isn't wrong. From a logistical standpoint, you may have the schematics for an equipment in America, also have a prototype of said equipment, but if you got any production model made from China or have your entire production facility in China, a la Nvidia / AMD /Intel, you just don't have a upper hand. You just wish your counterpart in China doesn't sell your blueprints to his friend next door and get their own manufacturing going with a different brand. What? You say you're going to sue them!!! *laughs in PRC*

Wrt the current trade wars the US in engaged in, the world in general & China in particular know things may change with the next election and so they haven't been punitive in their actions.
Who said he was wrong? McDonalds burgers suck and What-A-Burger is far superior to them. This is also a true statement but a completely non-related anti-McDonalds rant.


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Who said he was wrong? McDonalds burgers suck and What-A-Burger is far superior to them. This is also a true statement but a completely non-related anti-McDonalds rant.
But we are discussing burgers and so, even Burger King is fair game.

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is it curious how they jumped from a JM7200 with these specs to a JM9XXX with 1080 performance?
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is it curious how they jumped from a JM7200 with these specs to a JM9XXX with 1080 performance?
https://diy.pconline.com.cn/1168/11684164.html
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He isn't wrong. From a logistical standpoint, you may have the schematics for an equipment in America, also have a prototype of said equipment, but if you got any production model made from China or have your entire production facility in China, a la Nvidia / AMD /Intel, you just don't have a upper hand. You just wish your counterpart in China doesn't sell your blueprints to his friend next door and get their own manufacturing going with a different brand. What? You say you're going to sue them!!! *laughs in PRC*

Wrt the current trade wars the US in engaged in, the world in general & China in particular know things may change with the next election and so they haven't been punitive in their actions.
For IP all the big guys have R&D in China. Soon it will stop.

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You are correct, a lot of chinese products are total rubbish. Their cars, motorbikes and a lot of electronic products are subpar and just not worth buying. A friend of mine liked to show off his Baojun car that runs like a dream until the car decided not to start anymore, after three years. On the other hand Huawei are the number one telecoms company in the world and Xiaomi, ZTE and others make damned good phones. But then GM didn't almost go bankrupt because they're the best. Their planned obsolescence got the better of them and people stopped buying their rubbish so Japanese cars took over. And, of course, there's Boeing, the perfect example of hubris, stupidity and greed.
Chinese automotive industry is just bad.
If you look at their cars then it's a mix of older western/japanese designs but less reliable.

Scooters and other "simple" designs seem to be working "good enough" though.
Even if it breaks then parts and labour is cheap.

In the field of electric vehicles they are very good.
I mean most of e-scooters or ebikes are pretty much all chinese parts rebranded as western.
Say bafang motors.

Personally I use FiiO E07K, a chinese DAC+amp which had good reviews at the time.
I'm on my second Xiaomi phone.
Also the autonomous vaccum cleaner. Works fine and didn't break down so far.
Had a samsung one which threw errors right after warranty period.
Battery IC most likely failed. Cells were fine (checked by separate equipment).

It should also be noted that western equipment quality is regressing.
Cutting every single penny.

Even damn IC's are regressing.
A lot of classic IC's receive "C" versions which are worse quality.
Lower maximum ratings, worse tolerances.
1980's standard quality parts made today are 10x price.

In the 90's and early 2000's german cars were regarded as impossible to break.
Now I'm watching a VW golf engine throwing a rod before 300k Km (187.5k miles) in a long term road test.
Meanwhile those older ones could get around 500k-1M km.
I have a friend from Belarus who told me of Audi 80 B3 (early 90's/late 80's) which had something like 1.5M km on original engine(it was smoking though).

Test equipment ?
Weller (german) was caught skipping fuses in their new soldering stations.
Optional software upgrade (unlocking true hardware possibilities) making oscilloscope cost 5-10 times more.
The hardware is there, already paid for. It's just software locked.
Rigol had the same thing but "accident" happened and unlock software leaked.
Later rigol gave it to anyone for free.

On my university I did see some chinese test equipment from 1980's.
Analog oscilloscopes were still working fine.
Not sure about internal construction.
Chinese did a lot of copying from the USSR(especially in aerospace and electronic industry) but later also from the west when they gained access.

Personally I use 1980's french scope(excellent serviceablity,almost all chips are socketed) and 1992 Soviet/Lituanian Scope (USSR collapsed in 91).
Along with it 1977 RF generator made in USSR(more crude design but they didn't skip on materials, copper shielding and cast iron frame).

In the field of advanced semicondutors as we can witness the progress was slowing down until AMD started pushing intel.
Chinese and Russians are constantly working on their own designs.
Mainly for military/government use as western equivalents can have backdoors usable by US.

Russians have their Baikal and Elbrus CPU's which are in 28nm process.
Production started in 2015-2016.

And Chinese are pursuing the same route.
US was previously stopping the exports of supercomputer hardware to china so it's logical that they want to be independent by making their own capable chips.

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