Originally Posted by criminal
People do realize that prices would probably still be the same even if the cards we got were GTX instead of RTX? The only real difference is that we would have probably gotten the Super level performance SOONER for the same price if AMD would have been more competitive at that time. That is what happens when there is very little competition. I mean all you have to do is look at the GTX 1660. It slots into the same price range as the GTX 1060. The only difference now is that there is a slightly faster card that goes by the name RTX 2060. Basically Nvidia slotted in one additional card (two now that the RTX 2060 Super is out) and raised prices ~$100. Except for the ridiculously priced 2080Ti, prices didn't change very much.
Navi will eventually change the landscape, but it has and will have some growing pains. I foresee it being similar to first gen Ryzen. By the 2nd-3rd iteration, fingers-crossed they will be kicking Nvidia in the teeth.
I actually doubt we would have gotten the same cards for the same price. The issue would be obvious. We're later now, but at this point, you're paying the same price as a 1080Ti (that was released two and a half years ago) for virtually the exact same performance in 98%+ of games. Tacked on is this feature that these cards are clearly still too slow to use properly, and this feature is used as the excuse for these high card prices. It's the reason they kept the GTX line out of the high end. If nVidia released a GTX 2080 Ti, performing the same as an RTX 2080 Ti at a lower price but not supporting RT, no RTX cards would be bought. And nVidia knows this.
If they would have released them without RTX, everyone would more easily see through the nonsense.One expects at least a slight performance increase for the same price as time goes on. That is not what happened this time. So yes, prices didn't change very much, and that is exactly the problem.
You mention the GTX 1660, but you're forgetting that despite it being the same price (technically $20 cheaper), it gave a 20% performance uplift compared to the GTX 1060. The RTX 2080 did not give that in comparison to the 1080 Ti. It is about 15% faster at 15% higher prices.
Blaming AMD is easy... It probably had more to do with the mining boom than AMD themselves that they couldn't compete with Vega 56, and even then, the only reason prices are so high is because people are willing to blindly spend that kind of money, and nVidia is too arrogant to give in and lower prices to increase their sales. It's much easier to blame external factors than blame ourselves for our gullibility.