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The best thing about all of this rivalry is that leather jacket man and Lisa are family, it still makes me laugh. I wonder what family reunions are like, must be very interesting.
Isn't it 2019? Families don't get together; they make excuses to avoid seeing each other.

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It seems that the lack of RTX vaporware isn't hurting Navi at all.

Indeed. I'm surprised that AMD is doing so well considering the mind share around here. When funds become available I will be getting a 5700XT. Why should I pay $100-200 more for RTX, which I will never use because it destroys frame rates?

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if I didn't already have these less than half priced 1080tis, i'd agree with you. with XT where it is now though, it would'a cost me even less... it just didn't exist 9 months ago.

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Indeed. I'm surprised that AMD is doing so well considering the mind share around here. When funds become available I will be getting a 5700XT. Why should I pay $100-200 more for RTX, which I will never use because it destroys frame rates?
People do realize that prices would probably still be the same even if the cards we got were GTX instead of RTX? The only real difference is that we would have probably gotten the Super level performance SOONER for the same price if AMD would have been more competitive at that time. That is what happens when there is very little competition. I mean all you have to do is look at the GTX 1660. It slots into the same price range as the GTX 1060. The only difference now is that there is a slightly faster card that goes by the name RTX 2060. Basically Nvidia slotted in one additional card (two now that the RTX 2060 Super is out) and raised prices ~$100. Except for the ridiculously priced 2080Ti, prices didn't change very much.

Navi will eventually change the landscape, but it has and will have some growing pains. I foresee it being similar to first gen Ryzen. By the 2nd-3rd iteration, fingers-crossed they will be kicking Nvidia in the teeth.

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People do realize that prices would probably still be the same even if the cards we got were GTX instead of RTX? The only real difference is that we would have probably gotten the Super level performance SOONER for the same price if AMD would have been more competitive at that time. That is what happens when there is very little competition. I mean all you have to do is look at the GTX 1660. It slots into the same price range as the GTX 1060. The only difference now is that there is a slightly faster card that goes by the name RTX 2060. Basically Nvidia slotted in one additional card (two now that the RTX 2060 Super is out) and raised prices ~$100. Except for the ridiculously priced 2080Ti, prices didn't change very much.

Navi will eventually change the landscape, but it has and will have some growing pains. I foresee it being similar to first gen Ryzen. By the 2nd-3rd iteration, fingers-crossed they will be kicking Nvidia in the teeth.
I actually doubt we would have gotten the same cards for the same price. The issue would be obvious. We're later now, but at this point, you're paying the same price as a 1080Ti (that was released two and a half years ago) for virtually the exact same performance in 98%+ of games. Tacked on is this feature that these cards are clearly still too slow to use properly, and this feature is used as the excuse for these high card prices. It's the reason they kept the GTX line out of the high end. If nVidia released a GTX 2080 Ti, performing the same as an RTX 2080 Ti at a lower price but not supporting RT, no RTX cards would be bought. And nVidia knows this.
If they would have released them without RTX, everyone would more easily see through the nonsense.One expects at least a slight performance increase for the same price as time goes on. That is not what happened this time. So yes, prices didn't change very much, and that is exactly the problem.
You mention the GTX 1660, but you're forgetting that despite it being the same price (technically $20 cheaper), it gave a 20% performance uplift compared to the GTX 1060. The RTX 2080 did not give that in comparison to the 1080 Ti. It is about 15% faster at 15% higher prices.

Blaming AMD is easy... It probably had more to do with the mining boom than AMD themselves that they couldn't compete with Vega 56, and even then, the only reason prices are so high is because people are willing to blindly spend that kind of money, and nVidia is too arrogant to give in and lower prices to increase their sales. It's much easier to blame external factors than blame ourselves for our gullibility.
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People do realize that prices would probably still be the same even if the cards we got were GTX instead of RTX? The only real difference is that we would have probably gotten the Super level performance SOONER for the same price if AMD would have been more competitive at that time. That is what happens when there is very little competition. I mean all you have to do is look at the GTX 1660. It slots into the same price range as the GTX 1060. The only difference now is that there is a slightly faster card that goes by the name RTX 2060. Basically Nvidia slotted in one additional card (two now that the RTX 2060 Super is out) and raised prices ~$100. Except for the ridiculously priced 2080Ti, prices didn't change very much.

Navi will eventually change the landscape, but it has and will have some growing pains. I foresee it being similar to first gen Ryzen. By the 2nd-3rd iteration, fingers-crossed they will be kicking Nvidia in the teeth.
Well RTX is kinda pointless to buy into at this stage and commands a high-price premium that many like myself am not interested in.

As for the rest, the whole pricing issue really started many years ago with the 600-series. I didn't realize it back when I bought my GTX 670 (or my GTX 980 for that matter) back in the day, but the way Nvidia has totally manipulated the GPU market into subtly shifting their mid-range chips into their traditionally flagship x80 cards (and keeping the flagship prices) and then creeping in other Ti models and Titans, etc. at much higher costs to give you the full chip (except often it wasn't even the full everything unlocked chips), and then the whole RTX thing. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Nvidia could use a good kick in the teeth.

And then of course Radeon hadn't really competed well for years which was part of the issue. Must say, not impressed with those temps posted on the 5700 XT's, but as a watercooler, guess I really don't care. Will be interested to see what bigger models release down the line.

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Isn't it 2019? Families don't get together; they make excuses to avoid seeing each other.
Not in East Asia, when the family gets together there are no excuses and there's no fighting either. Respect for the matriarch or patriarch of the family runs very deep here, so even leather jacket man will drop all of his jackets and bow.

While this is odd to us, here it's no joke, the culture regarding families is very strictly obeyed as filial piety comes first and foremost.

Edit: If either company went bankrupt the family would make sure the ones who have lost everything would get looked after. So LJM (Leather Jacket Man) would never want for anything and visa versa. There would be hell to pay if he ignored the plight of his niece. This is one of the aspects that I do like about the culture here, families are extremely tight nit (there is a dark side to this which I won't discuss here).

On topic: it's interesting how AMD are taking marketshare from both Intel and nVidia. They are doing extremely well and I congratulate their engineers for creating such wonderful products.

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Not in East Asia, when the family gets together there are no excuses and there's no fighting either. Respect for the matriarch or patriarch of the family runs very deep here, so even leather jacket man will drop all of his jackets and bow.

While this is odd to us, here it's no joke, the culture regarding families is very strictly obeyed as filial piety comes first and foremost.

Edit: If either company went bankrupt the family would make sure the ones who have lost everything would get looked after. So LJM (Leather Jacket Man) would never want for anything and visa versa. There would be hell to pay if he ignored the plight of his niece. This is one of the aspects that I do like about the culture here, families are extremely tight nit (there is a dark side to this which I won't discuss here).
My comment was kind of a joke, but I respect your observation. Asian and muslim families do seem more tightly knit together, according to what I've heard.

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RTX in my eyes is like trying to play Crysis with 7600 GT. I did play it back in 2007 @ 720p/Medium getting 15-25 fps but it took years before I can play it on my native monitor resolution at Very High at 60 fps. The only issue is that RTX games now still dont look better in every aspect because of noise from RT.
RTX is like ATI Truform back in the day. It took 10 years for tesselation to become mainstream, and back then we were getting double performance increases biannually.

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