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post #81 of 92 (permalink) Old 09-07-2019, 02:13 AM
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Must be terrible products for being constantly sold out, and stock is pre reserved for weeks in advance. In fact, it is so terrible that I could make back 150% of the price I originally bought the mobo combo plus CPU(had to buy combo because CPU by itself long wait).

After having played with the platform for about a month, it is really snappy and nice. Then again I use it to run VM's and bunch of other stuff, all in parallel. It can game on the side, but that's not really the point of the 12 core.

I got the single core boosts to 4.75Ghz on the other bios, and I'm not going to reflash now just to show you, will wait till the microcode and bios update later this month. Currently without doing anything special, my single boosts seems to "only" go to 4.55Ghz, I will share the result if the promised bios update makes a difference.
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Quote: Originally Posted by braincracking View Post
Must be terrible products for being constantly sold out, and stock is pre reserved for weeks in advance. In fact, it is so terrible that I could make back 150% of the price I originally bought the mobo combo plus CPU(had to buy combo because CPU by itself long wait).

After having played with the platform for about a month, it is really snappy and nice. Then again I use it to run VM's and bunch of other stuff, all in parallel. It can game on the side, but that's not really the point of the 12 core.

I got the single core boosts to 4.75Ghz on the other bios, and I'm not going to reflash now just to show you, will wait till the microcode and bios update later this month. Currently without doing anything special, my single boosts seems to "only" go to 4.55Ghz, I will share the result if the promised bios update makes a difference.
Yeah, bad CPU, AMD lied, everyone return and sue, it's the new 3.5GBgate!!!111 The whole thread in the nutshell, people looking for a smoking gun that isn't there.

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I like that Ryzen is bringing the baseline gaming/casual performance to the level of an overclocked Skylake i7, or newer overclocked i5, or well overclocked Haswell i7. And since they come pre overclocked, college freshmen kids can get this performance out of the box on their first build with little time spent on research. That's by no means bad, it raises the minimum. I wish the max would go up more for gaming/casual but what can you do?

Sure some may be thinking "yeah, welcome to 2013 Intel" when they read people going bananas over performance they've personally seen for half a decade, but this is coming to everybody, not just enthusiasts.

The performance is there regardless if the last 100mhz advertised is hit or not. They are good enough chips that top end Intel can be considered an effective sidegrade for the gaming/casual crowd.

But AMD is being intentionally misleading on "Max Boost Clocks". People think of these as being the same as what "Boost Clocks" have been since forever with the exception of AMD GPUs since Vega. They are more honestly described as "boost clocks if conditions are right and you are lucky". The "boost clocks" of Zen2 as Nvidia/Intel users are concerned are less than advertised, even if the performance is there.

Don't know what AMD can do about it. Public statement? Admonish hypsters like Adored and wccf? Put up a chart of minimum expected boost for specific applications up on their website? The performance is there, just not the implied mhz.

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Quote: Originally Posted by rluker5 View Post
I like that Ryzen is bringing the baseline gaming/casual performance to the level of an overclocked Skylake i7, or newer overclocked i5, or well overclocked Haswell i7. And since they come pre overclocked, college freshmen kids can get this performance out of the box on their first build with little time spent on research. That's by no means bad, it raises the minimum. I wish the max would go up more for gaming/casual but what can you do?

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Don't know what AMD can do about it. Public statement? Admonish hypsters like Adored and wccf? Put up a chart of minimum expected boost for specific applications up on their website? The performance is there, just not the implied mhz.

Isn't same as the i9 9900K? Not all boost to its max of 5GHz. You need to get the right conditions. Right bios settings. Maybe the use of Linux instead of Windows to see that max boost. Most of the reviewers of Ryzen 3000 series mostly saw lower than the advertised boost but despite that, GEN2 is only a few percentage behind the i9 9900K. Some were even using 360 AIOs on the intel cpus while comparing them to Ryzens with their stock coolers.

Thing is, here comes GEN3 and intel still in their 14 nm, thus the need for misleading slides to catch the gullible.

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Isn't same as the i9 9900K? Not all boost to its max of 5GHz. You need to get the right conditions. Right bios settings. Maybe the use of Linux instead of Windows to see that max boost. Most of the reviewers of Ryzen 3000 series mostly saw lower than the advertised boost but despite that, GEN2 is only a few percentage behind the i9 9900K. Some were even using 360 AIOs on the intel cpus while comparing them to Ryzens with their stock coolers.

Thing is, here comes GEN3 and intel still in their 14 nm, thus the need for misleading slides to catch the gullible.
Are you sure that not all 9900k boost to 5ghz single core, by default, on non avx loads? I thought they all did.

And you will have to blame AMD for coming up short on cpu limited gaming scenarios. We don't have a conspiracy that includes all reviewers.

But like I said before, they are close enough that getting Intel for gaming mostly satisfies ocd and bragging rights. The gaming performance difference overall is not as big as the difference in price, or the performance difference if you have a good use for lots of cores.

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Are you sure that not all 9900k boost to 5ghz single core, by default, on non avx loads? I thought they all did.

And you will have to blame AMD for coming up short on cpu limited gaming scenarios. We don't have a conspiracy that includes all reviewers.

But like I said before, they are close enough that getting Intel for gaming mostly satisfies ocd and bragging rights. The gaming performance difference overall is not as big as the difference in price, or the performance difference if you have a good use for lots of cores.
Ryzen 3000 cpus has been out, what, a good two months. We already know what they are capable of. The 3700X is a lot cheaper than the i9 9900K and is a very capable gaming cpu. Blame AMD for what? Not being able to push a 2080 Ti at 1080P? For some of us, we have no choice but to get the cpu that is less vulnerable.

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Dr. Cutress outdid himself this time:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14873...uency-metrics-

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Dr. Cutress outdid himself this time:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14873...uency-metrics-

Really interesting read.
Excellent article, thanks for the link.

I can't wait for the next class action lawsuit and everyone's $5 payout.

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Excellent article, thanks for the link.

I can't wait for the next class action lawsuit and everyone's $5 payout.
very good read...but there wont be a lawsuit on this one.

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