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[TechPowerUp] [Updated] Der8auer: Only Small Percentage of 3rd Gen Ryzen CPUs Hit Their Advertised Speeds

Source: https://www.techpowerup.com/258840/d...ertised-speeds

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World famous overclocker Der8auer published his survey of boost clocks found on 3rd generation Ryzen CPUs. Collecting data from almost 3,000 entries from people around the world, he has found out that a majority of the 3000 series Ryzen CPUs are not hitting their advertised boost speeds. Perhaps one of the worst results from the entire survey are for the 12-core Ryzen 9 3900X, for which only 5.6% of entries reported have managed to reach the boost speeds AMD advertises. However, the situation is better for lower-end SKUs, with about half of the Ryzen 5 3600 results showing that their CPU is boosting correctly and within advertised numbers.

AMD has a good product but their marketing team might get them into trouble.

Update: [Guru3D] AMD To Handle Boost Clock Frequency Differentials with Firmware Update

https://www.overclock.net/forum/225-...re-update.html

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Its just an AGESA issue. The earlier AGESA allowed higher boosts. It was buggy but it boosted higher.

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Reviewers need to take notes of what voltages each AGESA is allowing in order to meet what boost clocks. There are people saying that the latest AGESA limits boost voltages to avoid long term damage to CPU's (among them apparently one Asus representative), while others like Hardware Unboxed make it seem that it's a motherboard vendor issue in their BIOS implementations across different motherboard models. Right now there doesn't seem to be a clear answer as to what is the cause.

But regardless of what it is, I'll say this that I've said in the other thread:

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AMD needs to start under promising and over delivering.

This is the same mindset that makes them put the CPU's boost clock on the box and marketing slides first and only then the base clock, they are the ones creating expectations that they then fail to meet. Intel and Nvidia have figured out how to avoid creating these situations a long time ago; the box of my Core i7-3820 doesn't even list the boost clock, only the base clock. In the same way, Nvidia under promises and over delivers on their GPU boost clocks.

AMD needs to follow suit ASAP, it's not doing them any good. AMD, show that you're nimble and can learn from mistakes halfway through a generation and do it right for the Threadripper 3000 series.

They have a clear marketing problem. The latest Ryzen Pro video almost got them in trouble, in that it hinted at 5 Ghz clocks. After the news got out, they set the video to private on YouTube.

Here is the link to the video, which is now set to private:

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Its just an AGESA issue. The earlier AGESA allowed higher boosts. It was buggy but it boosted higher.
At 17:22 Der8auser mentions he spoke to an Asus engineer. The engineer said he doesn't believe AMD knows how to fix this and it would require higher vcore to reach the stable single core boost speed. Even at launch day most reviewers couldn't hit the 4.6Ghz target single core boost.

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I don't understand why this is a problem. I own first and second gen ryzen. Neither which boost all core to their rated boost clock, that was always a single boost spec. Problem is people are basing this on software which can be incredibly buggy and unreliable. I mean hell, afterburner tells me that my HBM2 has hit a max of 90°C lol. I get where he's coming from though, but him thinking a Windows version doesn't affect boost clocks is a bit meh, ryzen owners got a nice performance boost from 1803 to 1903 with the scheduler being revised. Max boost clock is the same for Intel, under best care scenario with the best cooling. I'm on water and haven't had any issues with both my intel and AMD build. I hit 4.3ghz np on all my cores under 25% load on all cores. I'm waiting for a proper mature BIOS before buying a 3800x or whatever i decide to buy. Not sure why it's a big deal all of a sudden.

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I don't understand why this is a problem. I own first and second gen ryzen. Neither which boost all core to their rated boost clock, that was always a single boost spec. Problem is people are basing this on software which can be incredibly buggy and unreliable. I mean hell, afterburner tells me that my HBM2 has hit a max of 90°C lol. I get where he's coming from though, but him thinking a Windows version doesn't affect boost clocks is a bit meh, ryzen owners got a nice performance boost from 1803 to 1903 with the scheduler being revised. Max boost clock is the same for Intel, under best care scenario with the best cooling. I'm on water and haven't had any issues with both my intel and AMD build. I hit 4.3ghz np on all my cores under 25% load on all cores. I'm waiting for a proper mature BIOS before buying a 3800x or whatever i decide to buy. Not sure why it's a big deal all of a sudden.
This isn't about all core boost, it's about single core boosting which isn't hitting the advertised speed. Both first generation and second generation Ryzen desktop chips hit the advertised boost clock. Intel desktop chips also hit the single core boost clock. The third generation doesn't hit the advertised speed at all unless overclocking which is also rare.

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AMD has a good product but their marketing team might get them into trouble.
Or maybe they had a so-so product and their marketing team was tasked in an impossible job to make it look like a great product.
Considering how people see their new chips, their marketing team kinda seem to have pulled a john wick.


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This isn't about all core boost, it's about single core boosting which isn't hitting the advertised speed. Both first generation and second generation Ryzen desktop chips hit the advertised boost clock. Intel desktop chips also hit the single core boost clock. The third generation doesn't hit the advertised speed at all unless overclocking which is also rare.
Alright wasn't sure. I'll have to check what mine hits but since my 2700x is under water it's more then what most people are running it on. I'm running R20 right now on single core and my 2700x which is rated at 4.3ghz single core boost is hitting anywhere between 4.2 to 4.275 when running R20 on a single core. So I'm not hitting 4.3 on my VII and 2700x combo either.

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To be fair I would say that all you have needed for a AMD CPU in the last 20 years was a good motherboard for overclocking and a large air or water cooler. I have no problem running a R5 1600 at boost speeds on ALL cores. Getting a bit more? Well not that good. This is not like the FX 8350. Pour on cooling add a little voltage and get 300 MHZ more than boost. All day.
Even the Thubans did that.

The Ryzens are just much better at doing more with less in the Mhz they are designed for. 5000 Mhz is a bit of a disappointment. The 1600 struggles with 4000 Mhz. A Sythe Byakoo is good enough for a 3900Mhz with no thermal troubles.

The 3900s may Need a bit more, ya think? The 1600 is a 65 watt design. The 3900X 105 watts. So a Noctua 14 or a 15 should do it. But going beyond boost speeds on all cores, if it is following the same design think as the 1st gen Ryzen maybe not god for beyond that.

I am familiar with radio frequency circuits at that the Ghz speeds. As for digital never been there, done that. A +/- 500 Mhz operating range is asking for a lot of $ to do that with radio. I think this narrower bandwidth is more about about just do more with less clock at specific frequencies. Kind of like Band Pass filter design?

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