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[DIGITAL TRENDS] AMD’s Threadripper 3 will launch in November

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“We are focusing on meeting the strong demand for our 3rd generation AMD Ryzen processors in the market and now plan to launch both the AMD Ryzen 9 3950X and initial members of the 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Threadripper processor family in volume this November,” AMD said in a statement on the launch of 3rd-gen Threadripper.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/comput...e-specs-price/

PREMIERING WITH 24 CORES - assuming higher core counts coming later. I would like to see a 16 core. Also, Ryzen 9 3950X delayed until November.
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Yeah, just read that the 3950X delayed release date until November as well. Guess it'll be a big month for AMD.

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Very sad to hear this delay

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Very sad to read this; they borked it for me..

My complaint thus far:
I'm not a big fan of the, er, internal binning kind of situation going on since the first gen; makes them a great deal of money what with one waffer for everything, sure, but at my expense. Something similar to the old Black versions would be nice to have again.. not many need 4895652 cores for mainstream usage, but everyone can benefit from higher clocks. Their current way of doing things eliminates such a possibility. Lower core counts? You get the worst of the worst. Higher core counts is where it's -theoretically- at, except when having 38467452 active cores, you still don't get to see much of it in the end. So even if i was a well-off mainstream user, willing to spend twice as much? I still could not get something with the clocks to show for it.. just (extra) cores i don't need.
And yes, a couple hundred of MHz wouldn't change much. But even this little can have tangible benefits.. that i pay for; a 15th or 16th core? Err, none if we're to be honest?.. Again, this is the mainstream segment, right?

And now, on top of the above, no 16-core TR..
Sure, i get that too, they pushed 16 down to 'mainstream' (lol...), so "naturally", they now needed a minimum of 24 (given how it works with CCDs) for TR. Yet again, and on top of the above mind you, money for nothing.
Sixteen cores with SMT was already way too much for a lot of people, but if you wanted the extra lanes (and i need them, not just want them) or the doubled memory bandwidth, you went for it. Now you need pay even more, for yet more cores that, you guessed it, you don't really need.
* and btw, this time around? One I/O for the memory, so until we get some data? Not even sure if it's gonna be like before. Easier to push memory when each die has a separate controller, harder when it's all in one; might be we're moving on to something a lot more similar to what we see on the Intel side of things (memory freqs in mainstream vs HEDT platforms)

Was honestly hoping it'd start from 16, the cherry being, as before, the quadraple memory channel support and the extra PCIe 4.0 lanes.
W-T-F are they thinking.
(again, rhetorical.. i know what, and why. Now your average stingy ""creator" can get ""moar cores"" even cheaper, to run them with two cheapish sticks on a 200bucks mobo and ""create"" youtube videos for his 21 total subscribers faster. A major victory folks)

Moving the 3900X to my S8. Such is life, lol

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Interesting.... I wonder if they had trouble hitting that 4.7 boost. And needed to re-bin them. I just want an Asrock x570m taichi. If asrock wont give me what i want. I might settle for an x399M taichi...

Someone just needs to make a good mATX AM4 board.

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I could be wrong but I'm assuming they'll have more than one sku at launch with the highest core count being 24 for now. So, 16 would seem likely.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Aenra View Post
Very sad to read this; they borked it for me..

My complaint thus far:
I'm not a big fan of the, er, internal binning kind of situation going on since the first gen; makes them a great deal of money what with one waffer for everything, sure, but at my expense. Something similar to the old Black versions would be nice to have again.. not many need 4895652 cores for mainstream usage, but everyone can benefit from higher clocks. Their current way of doing things eliminates such a possibility. Lower core counts? You get the worst of the worst. Higher core counts is where it's -theoretically- at, except when having 38467452 active cores, you still don't get to see much of it in the end. So even if i was a well-off mainstream user, willing to spend twice as much? I still could not get something with the clocks to show for it.. just (extra) cores i don't need.
And yes, a couple hundred of MHz wouldn't change much. But even this little can have tangible benefits.. that i pay for; a 15th or 16th core? Err, none if we're to be honest?.. Again, this is the mainstream segment, right?

And now, on top of the above, no 16-core TR..
Sure, i get that too, they pushed 16 down to 'mainstream' (lol...), so "naturally", they now needed a minimum of 24 (given how it works with CCDs) for TR. Yet again, and on top of the above mind you, money for nothing.
Sixteen cores with SMT was already way too much for a lot of people, but if you wanted the extra lanes (and i need them, not just want them) or the doubled memory bandwidth, you went for it. Now you need pay even more, for yet more cores that, you guessed it, you don't really need.
* and btw, this time around? One I/O for the memory, so until we get some data? Not even sure if it's gonna be like before. Easier to push memory when each die has a separate controller, harder when it's all in one; might be we're moving on to something a lot more similar to what we see on the Intel side of things (memory freqs in mainstream vs HEDT platforms)

Was honestly hoping it'd start from 16, the cherry being, as before, the quadraple memory channel support and the extra PCIe 4.0 lanes.
W-T-F are they thinking.
(again, rhetorical.. i know what, and why. Now your average stingy ""creator" can get ""moar cores"" even cheaper, to run them with two cheapish sticks on a 200bucks mobo and ""create"" youtube videos for his 21 total subscribers faster. A major victory folks)

Moving the 3900X to my S8. Such is life, lol
If clock speed is all that matters to you then you can get a 9900KFC to satisfy your needs, and if you don't need many cores you can drop down to an i3 with high clock speed.

I can't wait to see your post when you see that even Intel will eventually take the same approach. While you are still stuck on clock speed the world is moving on to ever more parallel computing. In the future CPU's will resemble GPU's: many low clocked cores rather than a few high clocked ones.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Aenra View Post
Very sad to read this; they borked it for me..

My complaint thus far:
I'm not a big fan of the, er, internal binning kind of situation going on since the first gen; makes them a great deal of money what with one waffer for everything, sure, but at my expense. Something similar to the old Black versions would be nice to have again.. not many need 4895652 cores for mainstream usage, but everyone can benefit from higher clocks. Their current way of doing things eliminates such a possibility. Lower core counts? You get the worst of the worst. Higher core counts is where it's -theoretically- at, except when having 38467452 active cores, you still don't get to see much of it in the end. So even if i was a well-off mainstream user, willing to spend twice as much? I still could not get something with the clocks to show for it.. just (extra) cores i don't need.
And yes, a couple hundred of MHz wouldn't change much. But even this little can have tangible benefits.. that i pay for; a 15th or 16th core? Err, none if we're to be honest?.. Again, this is the mainstream segment, right?

And now, on top of the above, no 16-core TR..
Sure, i get that too, they pushed 16 down to 'mainstream' (lol...), so "naturally", they now needed a minimum of 24 (given how it works with CCDs) for TR. Yet again, and on top of the above mind you, money for nothing.
Sixteen cores with SMT was already way too much for a lot of people, but if you wanted the extra lanes (and i need them, not just want them) or the doubled memory bandwidth, you went for it. Now you need pay even more, for yet more cores that, you guessed it, you don't really need.
* and btw, this time around? One I/O for the memory, so until we get some data? Not even sure if it's gonna be like before. Easier to push memory when each die has a separate controller, harder when it's all in one; might be we're moving on to something a lot more similar to what we see on the Intel side of things (memory freqs in mainstream vs HEDT platforms)

Was honestly hoping it'd start from 16, the cherry being, as before, the quadraple memory channel support and the extra PCIe 4.0 lanes.
W-T-F are they thinking.
(again, rhetorical.. i know what, and why. Now your average stingy ""creator" can get ""moar cores"" even cheaper, to run them with two cheapish sticks on a 200bucks mobo and ""create"" youtube videos for his 21 total subscribers faster. A major victory folks)

Moving the 3900X to my S8. Such is life, lol
You miss the most pertinent point. The main reason they sell with lower cores is not down to binning , but down to some cores failing to meet the standard. They disable what doesn't work and you get a cheaper CPU because of it. And if you really want a lower core count CPU, you can buy that 3950 and disable some CCXs with software.

This very much a post on "I want my CPU cheap, but I also want what he has".

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Hrm. I didn't really need extra cores and threads. If this can be slotted into my X399 Taichi, I'd bite for the better single threaded performance. If it can't, I suppose I'll wait for Zen 4 and rebuild a new threadripper system.

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Hrm. I didn't really need extra cores and threads. If this can be slotted into my X399 Taichi, I'd bite for the better single threaded performance. If it can't, I suppose I'll wait for Zen 4 and rebuild a new threadripper system.

I am pretty much in the same boat re. TR3 compatibility with X399. I am perfectly happy w/ 2950X in MSI Meg X399 Creation and 3466 quad RAM, but have an extra board and RAM set, though no TR CPU for the 2nd build. I have been waiting to hear more about next-gen TR - including existing X399 compatibility vs new chipsets, SKU range (64 C 8 channel RAM workstation on new chipset) etc.
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