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[Tom's Hardware] Intel Announces Optane DIMMs for Workstations, SSD 665P With 96-Layer QLC, Roadmap

Source: Tom's Hardware https://www.tomshardware.com/news/op...65p,40481.html

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Intel made a slew of announcements today, including workstation support for Optane DC Persistent Memory DIMMs, which will eventually lead to support on the mainstream client desktops, like gaming PCs. These DIMMs slot into the DDR4 interface, just like a stick of RAM, but use Optane memory instead of DRAM to offer up to 512GB of memory capacity per stick.
Intel also announced new SSD 665p manufactured with 96-Layer QLC flash and revealed a roadmap outlining its future Optane SSD products and new 144-Layer QLC NAND. The company also announced that it is working towards developing 5-bit-per-cell flash, otherwise known as penta-level cell (PLC), to offer a path to increased storage density and lower-priced storage.
This Optane DC memory announcement is exciting! Can't wait to see what Intel and Microsoft have in store for clients.
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Intel also announced new SSD 665p manufactured with 96-Layer QLC flash and revealed a roadmap outlining its future Optane SSD products and new 144-Layer QLC NAND. The company also announced that it is working towards developing 5-bit-per-cell flash, otherwise known as penta-level cell (PLC), to offer a path to increased storage density and lower-priced storage.

Wow, they're just blazing on the SSD front. I'm not sure how the Optane thing will work out. I'm gonna go into 'wait and see' mode for that.
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Penta level cells now? Great, slower and less reliable but cheaper storage... how exciting.

Hopefully we will see a consumer version of Alder Stream with PCIe Gen 4 and a better controller as an update to the Optane 905p.
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Thank you AMD

It was sounding like this was going to take forever.
Microsoft saying "collaborate to put the right OS infrastructure in place" makes it sound like they are integrating DCPMM modes: https://lenovopress.com/lp1066-intel...sistent-memory into the OS.
Byte addressable storage with the performance of crap ram that can be moved over to regular ram when process priority dictates, or preemtively cached into it if you want, makes some remote pcie connected nvme protocol sound like dog doo.

I hope you can overclock it. There are physical limitations due to phase changes needing to complete, and maybe watercooling can help.

But we have to wait and see if this comes to fruition. Competition is good.

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I would love DCPMM modules and a motherboard and CPU that supports them if I could afford them. It would be very nice if at least the CPU could overclock too.

However, I suspect Intel will continue to price those well above the enthusiast space for the near future. Maybe AMD's Zen 2 will push them to bring it down to only Cascade X style pricing but I doubt it. They don't seem to have the 3D Xpoint manufacturing volume to want to push the volume of DCPMM modules up with price and it is still a very big advantage for those with workloads that really need it so they will probably continue to milk them for a while.

As to OC, they actually might run better hotter like NAND. Less of a deltaT for the temperature change required to do the phase change seems better than more. Over volting might allow a speed v.s. longevity trade-off too.
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Quote: Originally Posted by rluker5 View Post
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It was sounding like this was going to take forever.
Microsoft saying "collaborate to put the right OS infrastructure in place" makes it sound like they are integrating DCPMM modes: https://lenovopress.com/lp1066-intel...sistent-memory into the OS.
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I hope you can overclock it. There are physical limitations due to phase changes needing to complete, and maybe watercooling can help.

But we have to wait and see if this comes to fruition. Competition is good.
This was coming without AMD in the picture. If anything AMD slowed them down. Intel had to shift their resources from focusing on storage what they were doing before AMD started competing again to making high threaded processors.

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Can we have more affordable Optane SSD first before we talk about future DIMMs lol.

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This Optane DC memory announcement is exciting! Can't wait to see what Intel and Microsoft have in store for clients.
As clients, i guess you mean Enterprise?

Because 99% of the workstations do NOT need Optane.

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As clients, i guess you mean Enterprise?

Because 99% of the workstations do NOT need Optane.
I'm referring to desktop clients. According to the article Intel and Microsoft are collaborating to optimize Windows for Optane.

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doesn't look like it'd be introduced to consumer desktop clients anytime soon, the lineup only mentions xeon chips having support of this feature.
not to mention... why the f**k are they focusing on QLC and PLC NAND? did they completely give up on fully commercializing 3D-XPoint?

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