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how jaded of you! LOL!

this is why you gotta be an educated and unimpulsive buyer.

i always found it strange that amd pushed updates for their CPUs, it helped perpetuate the "buggy" mindset for me.

What else is there left to update on 14nm? lol

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Like never before, when it comes to PC gaming, we've come to expect that we're buying essentially broken hardware and software, which will be patched (or not) down the road.

Free Performance (TM) is not a thing. It just means that your product is broken.
Clearly every CPU revision is just to fix what was broken on the one before. 3770K? IPC only increased because they fixed the 2700K. Intel doesn't have a research and development division, they have a bug fix division.

Software developers obviously know the perfect way to program something every time the first time, but then they wouldn't be employed, so every once and a while they fix a bug in the database search algorithm to "boost performance" but obviously this is all just a ploy to keep their jobs and they're actually just fixing intentional slowness.

Even when x64 or AVX or DX11 came out and programs had to update, it was just releasing the known better code that they were hanging on to all this time!

Oh wait. No. That's stupid.

We pay money into R&D to learn of better ways to do things over time and it is in every silicon companies best interest to show the best of the best on review day because no one will look for updates down the road and do quarterly reviews of the same product. Products are judged on their performance relative to their cost at time of launch and of purchase, and any improvements to performance on something you already bought because it was a good deal just made your deal better "for free".

Take off your tinfoil hat.

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how jaded of you! LOL!

this is why you gotta be an educated and unimpulsive buyer.

i always found it strange that amd pushed updates for their CPUs, it helped perpetuate the "buggy" mindset for me.
So we're just not going to mention the microode updates for all of Intel's security issues where even my Dell R710 on Westmere Xeons got an update, or...?

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you're thinking present tense. I made the statement in the past tense.

back during the amd driver drama, which was what? a almost 10 years ago now?

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Quote: Originally Posted by Gunderman456 View Post
Like never before, when it comes to PC gaming, we've come to expect that we're buying essentially broken hardware and software, which will be patched (or not) down the road.

Free Performance (TM) is not a thing. It just means that your product is broken.

Sometimes even you can be too jaded Gunderman. I'm taking this on face value, so it sounds awesome. I DO want to hear specifics though. Looks like it'll take a month or so for the new bios to be released.


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Van Beurden noted that the 100-plus improvements aren't all about fixing issues; they include new features and other improvements.

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you're thinking present tense. I made the statement in the past tense.

back during the amd driver drama, which was what? a almost 10 years ago now?
Don't know if you noticed, but I was speaking of 10 year old CPUs. Westmere came out 10 years ago (X58) and the bug was known way before then, they should have gotten a microcode update. Instead you have a buggy chip for 10 years until the spotlight was put on them. Is it better to let the problem be to "save face", or is it better to fix the problem?

I for one hope that if improvements can be made over time that we have them made available to us.

That being said, I can not seem to find a history of CPU microcode updates on a regular basis until this year from any vendor. Do you have some example dates or models that I can search by? Because CPUs don't have drivers unless you are referring to AMD's GPU back in the 4000-6000 era for a time frame?

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Don't know if you noticed, but I was speaking of 10 year old CPUs. Westmere came out 10 years ago (X58) and the bug was known way before then, they should have gotten a microcode update. Instead you have a buggy chip for 10 years until the spotlight was put on them. Is it better to let the problem be to "save face", or is it better to fix the problem?

I for one hope that if improvements can be made over time that we have them made available to us.

That being said, I can not seem to find a history of CPU microcode updates on a regular basis until this year from any vendor. Do you have some example dates or models that I can search by? Because CPUs don't have drivers unless you are referring to AMD's GPU back in the 4000-6000 era for a time frame?
you're really overthinking this.


let me try this again -

me, a decade ago, when I didn't know better, thus ignorant towards the facts (cuz we didn't know intel was hiding anything at the time) thought it was weird to see CPU driver updates.

me, now? not the same situation.

Was that clear enough?

Please absolve me of my 10 year old thought crimes!

not sure which chip/arch it was. as it was easily a decade ago. It may have never even been a real thing, like i said... it was all part of anti-amd propaganda.

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CPUs have always (well for many years) had microcode. Occasionally you'd see "CPU Microcode update" in the BIOS notes on some motherboards. However it's only within the past few years (particularly with AMD hardware) that microcode updates are now very common and very public. I think it's a combination of the newer AMD bioses being modular (where you can just more or less plug in new AGESA code) and new AMD CPUs being extremely complex operationally, maybe even more so than comparable Intel chips.
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you're really overthinking this.


let me try this again -

me, a decade ago, when I didn't know better, thus ignorant towards the facts (cuz we didn't know intel was hiding anything at the time) thought it was weird to see CPU driver updates.

me, now? not the same situation.

Was that clear enough?

Please absolve me of my 10 year old thought crimes!

not sure which chip/arch it was. as it was easily a decade ago. It may have never even been a real thing, like i said... it was all part of anti-amd propaganda.
That's fair, I used to think the 6970 was faster because shaders x mhz was higher. We all started somewhere.

But... CPUs don't have drivers though. Drivers define to an operating system what kernel commands to use to communicate with a device and abstract an API for others. If you want to update your OS's support for a CPU, you need to update the kernel itself. Bit of a catch 22 for a CPU to have drivers.

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