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I'm 29 and as far as I can remember, I was always downloading patches for PC games...I remember being very happy when consoles allowed you to download patches, you weren't stuck with a broken game for life anymore! (most of the time)

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It's still so bizarre to me that CPU firmware/microcode is now something that's so public and frequently discussed. We now live in a world where even our CPU's get patches and updates. When I first got my start in PCs (2004), no one cared at all about what AGESA or Microcode or Firmware version their Athlon 64 or Pentium 4 was running. It wasn't even a thing that'd be considered.
In a way we did. There were a lot of teething problems with XP-64 and Athlon 64. Not as much an issue if you were running xp-32 and weren't gaming. Updating the BIOS/EFI is just a lot easier now and motherboard manufacturers are more transparent, so more people do it and talk about it.

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Like never before, when it comes to PC gaming, we've come to expect that we're buying essentially broken hardware and software, which will be patched (or not) down the road.

Free Performance (TM) is not a thing. It just means that your product is broken.
I feel you're looking at it the wrong way. No piece of hardware or software will ever be perfect out the gate. There will always be flaws that need patching. Sometimes patches introduce new issues, which then get fixed in a future patch.

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I feel you're looking at it the wrong way. No piece of hardware or software will ever be perfect out the gate. There will always be flaws that need patching. Sometimes patches introduce new issues, which then get fixed in a future patch.
I agree with this sentiment. Both hardware and software are not as simple as they were in the past and there is only so much time/budget given to build and test prior to release. Even cars nowadays are moving away from analog control systems to digital ones and those can have patches and fixes, that doesn't even count hardware-related recalls that need servicing/replacement.

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I feel you're looking at it the wrong way. No piece of hardware or software will ever be perfect out the gate. There will always be flaws that need patching. Sometimes patches introduce new issues, which then get fixed in a future patch.

Hardware issues with games on P.C. are more understandable than on a console that's been out for a number of years already and games are STILL needing day 1 patches in a lot of cases.Plus the developers don't seem to plan on the demand the release will put on their servers. No body expects perfection,but a playable game experience when released without TOO much hassle shouldn't be asking more than we pay for.
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I feel you're looking at it the wrong way. No piece of hardware or software will ever be perfect out the gate. There will always be flaws that need patching. Sometimes patches introduce new issues, which then get fixed in a future patch.
You are a lot more forgiving then I am. We need more people like you in the world.

However, now how would you describe a dilapidated house? Would you look at it in a different way and call it a fixer upper?

You know I worked for 5 months as a spin doctor and it made me sick. You a corp spin doctor?

It's thanks to people like you that we have 30 Gig game patches day one, OSs that are not optimized for hardware and keep breaking more hardware/software with every patch and motherboards, CPUs, RAM, etc... that don't work properly together for weeks down the road not to mention all the intended/or not 10-15 year old vulnerabilities that keep cropping up. Never mind hot and loud GPUs, free Space Invader graphics and promised GPU features that never materialize.

Line-up, Moe wants a word with you.

Not everything is in a vacuum, use your mind and make connections. These problems are serious and with attitudes like yours they will only get worse. You buy a product it should work perfectly. They should test it till they drop from exhaustion before it goes on sale. No excuses and you should not be so lackadaisical as a consumer.

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From this article, amd may change mitigation from always on to conditional for some perf gains

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Quote: Originally Posted by Gunderman456 View Post
You are a lot more forgiving then I am. We need more people like you in the world.
I'm not forgiving, simply just rational.

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You know I worked for 5 months as a spin doctor and it made me sick. You a corp spin doctor?
No, I'm just rational.

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It's thanks to people like you that we have 30 Gig game patches day one, OSs that are not optimized for hardware and keep breaking more hardware/software with every patch and motherboards, CPUs, RAM, etc... that don't work properly together for weeks down the road not to mention all the intended/or not 10-15 year old vulnerabilities that keep cropping up. Never mind hot and loud GPUs.

Line-up, Moe wants a word with you.

Not everything is in a vacuum, use your mind and make connections. These problems are serious and with attitudes like yours they will only get worse. You buy a product it should work perfectly. They should test it till they drop from exhaustion before it goes on sale. No excuses and you should not be so lackadaisical as a consumer.
I get the impression you're an idealist stuck in a fever dream. I used to be like you before I worked in software. I would be furious when a game released with bugs that hindered my game experience. But now I have seen first hand the limit of QA in software development, so I am much more of a realist.

I'm on the QA team of my company. We catch a lot of bugs, but we never catch 100% of them. There is simply not enough time or manpower to do so, and we have deadlines to meet. When we release something we count on our users to report issues we've missed back to us. The same scenario occurs in game and hardware development. There is only so much a development team can do to make their product ready for release. After release issues are much easier found when tens of thousands of users are using a product and reporting issues, compared to a vastly smaller QA team.

That's the nature of the (development) beast. Deal with it.

Certainly there is a minimum QA standard for hardware/software releases than many firms simply overlook or ignore (looking at you Bethesda), but I am commenting from the perspective of a (mostly) responsible company.

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free Space Invader graphics and promised GPU features that never materialize
Honestly I have zero idea what you're ranting about.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Playapplepie View Post
I'm not forgiving, simply just rational.



No, I'm just rational.



I get the impression you're an idealist stuck in a fever dream. I used to be like you before I worked in software. I would be furious when a game released with bugs that hindered my game experience. But now I have seen first hand the limit of QA in software development, so I am much more of a realist.

I'm on the QA team of my company. We catch a lot of bugs, but we never catch 100% of them. There is simply not enough time or manpower to do so, and we have deadlines to meet. When we release something we count on our users to report issues we've missed back to us. The same scenario occurs in game and hardware development. There is only so much a development team can do to make their product ready for release. After release issues are much easier found when tens of thousands of users are using a product and reporting issues, compared to a vastly smaller QA team.

That's the nature of the (development) beast. Deal with it.

Certainly there is a minimum QA standard for hardware/software releases than many firms simply overlook or ignore (looking at you Bethesda), but I am commenting from the perspective of a (mostly) responsible company.



Honestly I have zero idea what you're ranting about.
Space invaders for free = 2080ti fiasco where they were faulty and displayed artifacts that looked like an old atari game, just search online.

Gpu features that never materialize = AMD Vega and features they advertised but never fully or even implemented at release or later on just abandoned I.E tile based rasterization and Primitive shaders

I think this is what was being referenced, although i am sure others could have been thought of also. Nvidia's claims of full DX12 capability on i think Kepler as another?(asynchronous compute or lack thereof)

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