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Well, it looks like AMD is capable of making low and mid-range cards ... right in their historical strike zone. Where is the BIG NAVI we're all waiting on? Are they afraid it's going to disappoint?
yeha now midrange is above 400usd..
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the RX 5600XT looks interesting.. does it have a estimated price? because it should be sub 200usd based on 560 series, if it is above 200usd it doesnt looks that good
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5500- 100$
5500 XT- 150$
5600- 200$
5600 XT- 250$

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Quote: Originally Posted by Buris View Post
Well, here's my guess

5500- 100$
5500 XT- 150$
5600- 200$
5600 XT- 250$
at this price a 2nd hand RX Vega 64 is more appealing
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Well, here's my guess

5500- 100$
5500 XT- 150$
5600- 200$
5600 XT- 250$
According to the Wikipedia, the MSRP price is 180$ for the XT and 150$ for the non-XT.

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Buris's estimates are quite optimistic.

If AMD cites the RX 5500 XT performance against the GTX 1660 or GTX 1650 , it's going to undercut GTX 1660 ($219) and be above GTX 1650 ($149). They also need to account for GTX 1650 Super or GTX 1650 TI and GTX 1660 Super Nvidia plays. This means it likely will be a tentative ~$179 , especially since projected performance will match or exceed RX 580 which has been selling for around that price. As this is the space where there is no RTX ray tracing to mention, it will be highly competitive so long as the pricing is in line with Nvidia cards.

(There's no reason a 1024 shader full chip TU117 GTX 1650 Ti / GTX 1650 Super pilfering from mobile parts would perform exceptionally well compared to the GTX 1650 unless there were massive changes to memory. +15% over GTX 1650 would be roughly RX 570.)

The "5" in the name does nothing to the price due to the "7" in RX 5700 XT being originally reserved for ~150W TDP midtier cards. If the RX 5500 XT and non-XT had been 75W TDP they would have been stellar cards but the 150W power is going to be a minor improvement over RX 580 at best (if you scale the shaders from the 5700XT it should be ~110-130W). Likely AMD pushed the chip to its limits for desktop boards just to be faster than GTX 1660 and sell it a bit higher price.

I suspect that AMD has transitioned their entire lineup to match Nvidia naming (or sandwich its products) in order to attain higher average retail prices:
a "7" card lines up with RTX 2070 tier (RX 5700 XT , Radeon VII) --- current SKUs at $350 (36 CUs , ~ 8 TFLOPs) and $400 (40 CUs , ~ 10 TFLOPs)
a "6" card lines up with RTX 2060 / GTX 1660 Ti tier ( approx. Vega 56/Vega 64) --- SKUs at ~$250-280 area (probably 28-32CU , ~ 6-7 TFLOPs)
a "5" card lines up with GTX 1660 / GTX 1650 tier --- SKUs at $150-220 area (22 CUs , ~ 5 TFLOPS)
Lower than that is basically APU fodder (i.e. Vega 11 ~ 1.8 TFLOPs)

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Quote: Originally Posted by AlphaC View Post
Buris's estimates are quite optimistic.

If AMD cites the RX 5500 XT performance against the GTX 1660 or GTX 1650 , it's going to undercut GTX 1660 ($219) and be above GTX 1650 ($149). They also need to account for GTX 1650 Super or GTX 1650 TI and GTX 1660 Super Nvidia plays. This means it likely will be a tentative ~$179 , especially since projected performance will match or exceed RX 580 which has been selling for around that price. As this is the space where there is no RTX ray tracing to mention, it will be highly competitive so long as the pricing is in line with Nvidia cards.

(There's no reason a 1024 shader full chip TU117 GTX 1650 Ti / GTX 1650 Super pilfering from mobile parts would perform exceptionally well compared to the GTX 1650 unless there were massive changes to memory. +15% over GTX 1650 would be roughly RX 570.)

The "5" in the name does nothing to the price due to the "7" in RX 5700 XT being originally reserved for ~150W TDP midtier cards. If the RX 5500 XT and non-XT had been 75W TDP they would have been stellar cards but the 150W power is going to be a minor improvement over RX 580 at best (if you scale the shaders from the 5700XT it should be ~110-130W). Likely AMD pushed the chip to its limits for desktop boards just to be faster than GTX 1660 and sell it a bit higher price.

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a "7" card lines up with RTX 2070 tier (RX 5700 XT , Radeon VII) --- current SKUs at $350 (36 CUs , ~ 8 TFLOPs) and $400 (40 CUs , ~ 10 TFLOPs)
a "6" card lines up with RTX 2060 / GTX 1660 Ti tier ( approx. Vega 56/Vega 64) --- SKUs at ~$250-280 area (probably 28-32CU , ~ 6-7 TFLOPs)
a "5" card lines up with GTX 1660 / GTX 1650 tier --- SKUs at $150-220 area (22 CUs , ~ 5 TFLOPS)
Lower than that is basically APU fodder (i.e. Vega 11 ~ 1.8 TFLOPs)
My Guess is the 5500 will be the 75w card, being on par with an RX 570 with 4GB of GDDR6. *maybe* a version with 8GB and a 4-pin PCI-E.

The 5500 XT will be the 100-120w card with either a 4-pin or 6-pin PCI-E connector, with options for a 4GB or 8GB variant, more in line with the 590

5500: 570 replacement, 100-120$ ref with 150$ AIB's.
5500 XT: 590 Replacement, 150-180 ref with 200$ AIB's.

To tell you the truth, it's very possible that we don't see an X600 card series released this generation. I can see AMD re-releasing Navi 10 w/ Ray Tracing as the 6600 series for 200-250$ and 250-300$ respectively.

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5500 XT already listed as 150W :
https://www.amd.com/en/products/grap...radeon-rx-5500


see also https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ra....436556.0.html
It's supposed to compete with the 60W GTX 1660 Ti Max Q as well


edit: maybe 70W for the RX 5500 non-XT GPU core , but just as the RX 480 isn't a 100W card likely the whole RX 5500 card will be >75W
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Quote: Originally Posted by AlphaC View Post
5500 XT already listed as 150W :
https://www.amd.com/en/products/grap...radeon-rx-5500


see also https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ra....436556.0.html
It's supposed to compete with the 60W GTX 1660 Ti Max Q as well


edit: maybe 70W for the RX 5500 non-XT GPU core , but just as the RX 480 isn't a 100W card likely the whole RX 5500 card will be >75W



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Did they think this through? The RX 470, 570, 480, 580 all have 8 GB options and the 590 only comes with 8 GB. This is a regression and will have less VRAM than the 1060 6 GB and the 1660.



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Anything that comes with 4GB is a $50 card today.

Hey AMD and Nvidia take a flying leap into a ravine with razor sharp rocks down below.

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Did they think this through? The RX 470, 570, 480, 580 all have 8 GB options and the 590 only comes with 8 GB. This is a regression and will have less VRAM than the 1060 6 GB and the 1660.
If accurate, I doubt it. I ran into a vram issue with my 4gb 290x with BFV before I ran into a performance hit. It's why I snagged a cheap at the time Powercolor Red Devil Golden Sample RX580 8gb (what a mouthfull). My oc'ed 290x was faster over all, but the 4gb was causing major stuttering.


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