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i assume gamers buy the 10gbe boards because "ultra low latency" is attached to the branding of it.

its definitely nice to have if you move a metric ton of data consistently, but who's actually doing that on a gaming platform?

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i assume gamers buy the 10gbe boards because "ultra low latency" is attached to the branding of it.
It is great for a NAS or similar, any cheap SSD or only a few drives in RAID 5/6 will easily saturate a 1GbE link. A single M.2 SSD can saturate a 10GbE link. Even a single SATA SSD is 3x faster than 1GbE.

My Internet connection has been 1GbE for a few years now. This means my local area network has no headroom at all. If there is any other traffic on my network it might be bottlenecking my internet traffic which just seems wrong. We need to move on already! 1999 was a while ago.

With a single 40GbE link to my NAS all my network drives feel and benchmark like local drives. It is really nice for video work or simple network storage but for gaming I do use my local 2TB NVme M.2 SSD so I can game when the server is off or busy.

10GbE SFP+ sockets on motherboards is a very good thing.
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What's the point of 10GiBE in the consumer market again? Especially considering most people use WiFi?

For me. a full 16 lane PCIe card wouldn't work -- because my air cooled vid-card takes up all those slots w/fans and its massive heatsink.
In my case? NAS units. Most of my steam games are installed to the NAS, not to my own computer. Also being able to C/P large amounts of data between my server VMs and desktops. NVMe on both ends and all that.

As for your GPU, you would not have that problem on Threadripper, which is the platform he was suggesting.

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It is great for a NAS or similar, any cheap SSD or only a few drives in RAID 5/6 will easily saturate a 1GbE link. A single M.2 SSD can saturate a 10GbE link. Even a single SATA SSD is 3x faster than 1GbE.

My Internet connection has been 1GbE for a few years now. This means my local area network has no headroom at all. If there is any other traffic on my network it might be bottlenecking my internet traffic which just seems wrong. We need to move on already! 1999 was a while ago.

With a single 40GbE link to my NAS all my network drives feel and benchmark like local drives. It is really nice for video work or simple network storage but for gaming I do use my local 2TB NVme M.2 SSD so I can game when the server is off or busy.

10GbE SFP+ sockets on motherboards is a very good thing.
^ This, though my server had 80gbps that is split between the VMs.

Comcast still won't sell me 2gbps sym because I'm "too far away from the node". It would be a literal drop-in for me too, my router is ready for it.

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Haha, I have a seperate 40GbE link for my VMs too.
Exactly! Can't let one server bottleneck just because you hit the NAS after all, that would be silly.

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In my case? NAS units. Most of my steam games are installed to the NAS, not to my own computer. Also being able to C/P large amounts of data between my server VMs and desktops. NVMe on both ends and all that.

As for your GPU, you would not have that problem on Threadripper, which is the platform he was suggesting.

^ This, though my server had 80gbps that is split between the VMs.

Comcast still won't sell me 2gbps sym because I'm "too far away from the node". It would be a literal drop-in for me too, my router is ready for it.
Something tells me most consumers don't have 10 GbE switches or 10 GbE NAS devices.

I think I like the idea of the EATX motherboard more than the threadripper (which must be hell to keep cool).
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Will you stop it. Now you people have me looking at 10gbe switches and cards. I guess now I'm going to have to replace all the cat5e in my house with cat6. Only thing you people do is cost me money.

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It is great for a NAS or similar, any cheap SSD or only a few drives in RAID 5/6 will easily saturate a 1GbE link. A single M.2 SSD can saturate a 10GbE link. Even a single SATA SSD is 3x faster than 1GbE.

My Internet connection has been 1GbE for a few years now. This means my local area network has no headroom at all. If there is any other traffic on my network it might be bottlenecking my internet traffic which just seems wrong. We need to move on already! 1999 was a while ago.

With a single 40GbE link to my NAS all my network drives feel and benchmark like local drives. It is really nice for video work or simple network storage but for gaming I do use my local 2TB NVme M.2 SSD so I can game when the server is off or busy.

10GbE SFP+ sockets on motherboards is a very good thing.
I'm not disputing that, at all. Just stating that it doesn't get used by 90% of the folks buying gaming edition boards.

and yesh! on board nvme is awesome. I'm glad it finally caught on. I have 2x2tb in my board, windows striped. vroom vroom

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only certain upper-end motherboards come with 2.5GbE NICs, hopefully that would extend down to middle-tier motherboards in the near future.
quite a lot of HDDs now a days could push consistent 160MB/s~180MB/s, high capacity HDDs are even known for reaching 200+MB/s, 1GbE can only accommodate ~120MB/s.

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Something tells me most consumers don't have 10 GbE switches or 10 GbE NAS devices.

I think I like the idea of the EATX motherboard more than the threadripper (which must be hell to keep cool).
To get back to your root argument... The consumer market largely does not care about desktops at all, much less HEDT. Your entire premise is a false argument given what you originally quoted, which was someone who said they wanted the lanes to fill them out. "Consumer market" really is irrelevant in a thread about an x16 XPoint storage solution.

You won't get the EATX motherboard without HEDT because there is simply no need, and the non-HEDT CPUs can not support the extra lanes and channels that go into the platform. They literally do not have enough pins to do so.

As for Threadripper being a pain to cool... Not really. There are limitations on what coolers you can use due to the size of the chip, but they are no more heat dense than other Ryzen chips. Yes they do throw off more heat because more cores, but it is the same, or even less, heat per mm^2 as the transistor density does not increase. Counter to that, a 5-die (4 core dies + 1 IO die) Threadripper 3 16-core will be easier to cool than the 3950X 3-die 16-core because it will have a much lower heat density. Threadripper is not only available in high core counts after all, you can get a smaller chip and still enjoy all the perks of the platform.

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Will you stop it. Now you people have me looking at 10gbe switches and cards. I guess now I'm going to have to replace all the cat5e in my house with cat6. Only thing you people do is cost me money.
10G-BaseT is $$$$$$$$$$$.

You want Fibre or DACs. Cheap, easily attainable, scales way beyond 10gbps. 40gbps cards barely cost more than 10gbps ones after all.


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