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Not sure all this will matter
Seeing 3900x's are like bigfoot sightings obviously amd manufacturing is going to be the handicap.
Out of curiosity I checked and it is available in all the shops I usually buy from but Amazon that only has overpriced resellers. Shops in Geizhals have it in stock too.

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Not in the least bit surprised.
Welcome back AMD. I remember the FX days when you had the most expensive processors on the market.
I look forward to seeing your higher pricing soon!

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Out of curiosity I checked and it is available in all the shops I usually buy from but Amazon that only has overpriced resellers. Shops in Geizhals have it in stock too.
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Yeah I believe micro center just got some more 499.99

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Yes, you read that correctly: the new Threadripper requires a new socket. Because of the new CPU-to-chipset link, as well as a few ‘forward looking adjustments and scalability’, we now have what AMD are calling an sTRX4 socket and related TRX40 motherboards.
I was willing to drop the $1300 for the CPU even if I don't want or need a 24 core, but I'm not willing to drop another $500 to replace my X399. I also feel backhanded given the above, because it is 100% possible to run a PCI-e 4.0 x8 device in a PCI-e 3.0 x4 slot. It would not work optimally and I understand why AMD may be hesitant to support this, but it would work. This is an important distinction to me as I do not run anything at all off the chipset anyway and it is dead weight. To take the argument further, the x4 to the chipset on x399 is a bifurcated line anyway, so it would work in 3.0 x8 just fine. Watch WRX80 not have a chipset like the Epyc boards and prove my point.

AMD decided they do not want to support TR4 socket. That's fine, though I am not happy about it. I will wait for BIOS mods, or I will not buy Threadripper 3.

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what? if you are making money from this workstation PC then 3970X is very cheap for the performance and time savings.
Some of us are just enthusiasts. These price points are barely affordable for someone making 100k/yr yet alone the average Joe.

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The TR CPU's, especially the clocks (although with +30w on the TDP compared to last year, 280w vs 250w) and platform are obviously good, but I'm disappointed that they are not backwards compatible with the TR4 socket X399 motherboards, especially considering that the prices are higher than last year's 24 and 32 core CPUs:


- 2970WX @ $1299 vs 3960X @ $1399

- 2990WX @ $1799 vs 3970X @ $1999


People that have an expensive X399 motherboard will not get the chance to solve the performance inconsistency that Zen and Zen+ display due to their core / memory channels configuration. Zen 2 with a centralized memory controller was supposed to solve that, but for some reason AMD decided to not make them backwards compatible, but somehow EPYC Rome, which is also Zen 2 based, is backwards compatible with 1st gen EPYC boards, so AMD has some explaining to do. Yes, people would "only" get PCIe 3.0 bandwidth and less bandwidth to the chipset, but still, those clocks, extra IPC and consistent performance across workloads would be great for someone considering making the upgrade from a first gen TR, possibly even upgrading on the core count after two years, say going from 16 core first gen 1950X to a 24 or 32 core Zen 2 Threadripper. Now there's a new motherboard to factor in the equation.

Admittedly AMD TR 3 CPU's have no competition unless you have an AVX 512 workload, but I'm just worried that this is what will happen in the future when there is no competition - no backwards compatibility and higher CPU prices, which goes counter to what they did on the mainstream platform where they are still not the all-round winner. Heck, it would have even been fine if they said that possible upcoming 48 and 64 core Zen 2 required a new TRX40 (or TRX80) board, but at least the 24 and 32 core CPUs should have been made backwards compatible.


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Not sure all this will matter
Seeing 3900x's are like bigfoot sightings obviously amd manufacturing is going to be the handicap.
The 3900X did have low numbers of initial supplies and that is fixed now. There are a number of board members with this chip at the moment.

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Intel needs to compete with AMD this time around. Outside of lacking AVX512 (afaik) Cascade Lake cannot touch Threadripper 3000. Compared to Intel previously charging 2k for an 18c CPU, you're disappointed AMD is going to charge $1400 for a 24c/48t CPU that is superior?! AMD isn't here to give handout's.
see, the problem is, over the last decade? AMD has built a fan base of folks that expect hand outs. They equated low prices from inability to compete with favors from corporate.

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AMD can compete with intel
folks expect massive price slashes like the freeing from 4 core hell
doesn't happen
folks finally realize AMD is a corporation, not an arm of the government.
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I was willing to drop the $1300 for the CPU even if I don't want or need a 24 core, but I'm not willing to drop another $500 to replace my X399. I also feel backhanded given the above, because it is 100% possible to run a PCI-e 4.0 x8 device in a PCI-e 3.0 x4 slot. It would not work optimally and I understand why AMD may be hesitant to support this, but it would work. This is an important distinction to me as I do not run anything at all off the chipset anyway and it is dead weight. To take the argument further, the x4 to the chipset on x399 is a bifurcated line anyway, so it would work in 3.0 x8 just fine. Watch WRX80 not have a chipset like the Epyc boards and prove my point.

AMD decided they do not want to support TR4 socket. That's fine, though I am not happy about it. I will wait for BIOS mods, or I will not buy Threadripper 3.

A shame.
Multi socket is completely different than single socket so you can't compare the two and SP3 boards require new revision or new board model depending on brand to support anyway. Either way you have to buy a new board lol. People crying about SP3 but it is the same scenario.

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