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post #41 of 137 (permalink) Old 11-07-2019, 09:29 PM - Thread Starter
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Interesting bit on x570.

So can i say the pch is a splitter. In fact if you plan to use 2 nvme x4 pcie4 drives, it is best not connect anything else to the ports running from the pch?

Since 3000 ryzen only have 16+4+4 pcie4 lanes.

Of course most x570 must take up some lanes for lan/wifi/bt. So congestion in the x4 lane running to pch is unavoidable.

I wonder if amd will integrate lan/wifi/bt into a future zen soc. Will want a clean itx board without a pch/fan. Everything goes into soc only
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I think what peeves people off with TR3

The $/cores is higher than cslx. Intel price drop probably caught them a little. Amd could have gone lower, so this is on them. But i expect low low availability of TR3 for 6 months.

No support for x399. Imo is because of the bios headaches required to patch into older x399 and support trx40. Why i said this? As a x570 master aorus user, their bios is still unstable as of 1004b. Amd probably cannot have enough resources on TR3.

The chiplet design is interesting. So far its 6 or 8 cores per chiplet seems limited in how they make new skus. I think next year will have 4 cores per chiplet because of new apu. Maybe a new budget tr3 16 cores will appear very late
You maybe right, I'm also on a x570 Aorus Master and reverted the bios to the previous beta version, the new bios with 1004b is/was a complete pain in the arse, just not booting at all, to sometimes booting, to top it off, it actually has a regression in cinebench and looses points. After wasting the better of 4 hours with that 'new' bios, I gave up, reverted to the 1003ABBA bios and called it the day(night by that point). I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little dissapointed with the experience, especially after all the hype for the 1004 bios. If anyone has stable settings, where XFR and PBO still work on your Aorus Master 1004b with a 3900x, please send me the settings so I can try again lol.

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The Average Joe would never even consider buying HEDT parts anyways, so I don't get this argument. Furthermore, someone making $100/k year would have no problem dropping $2k on a new setup. These price points are literally only a couple hundred dollars more than the previous gen TR chips at a given core count. I don't understand how the $1800 2990WX is a killer deal and totally affordable, while the $2000 3970X is "barely affordable".
I can speak from personal experience. I have an X399 board and a 1950X. Updating to a 3000 series TR would require a new, more expensive processor and a new, more expensive motherboard. I most definitely do have a problem spending 2K on a refresh despite a good income. My point was meant to express frustration about what I perceive as price points that are getting out of control. We're seeing higher launch prices with nearly every generation of processors and video cards.

People often make the argument that anyone who can afford X can certainly afford X+Y when X is moderately expensive. It is not and never has been a coherent argument. Sometimes there is a budget and a couple hundred dollars more or a couple thousand dollars more are equally beyond reason.

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Now I am heavily debating betweem getting an x570 and a 3950x or a trx40 and a 3960x.
I am moving from 2990wx, as I now work mostly in the office and my home rig becomes somewhat of a gaming-only machine. I do love those PCI-E lanes, but I am worried that the 24 core will actually be slower than the 16 core most of the time in "gaming" applications by being reduced to being a 3900x with 12 cores just resting.
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What's the score?



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can't say that for now

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The X399 incompatibility with the new TR3 is my biggest gripe as well, especially given the relatively short half-life of X399 (as much as X399 and TR2 are supposed to continue alongside TR3). All that makes the Intel 10980XE -about 'half price' compared to 9980XE- very interesting, but X299 is not going on as flag-ship for much longer, either.

And frankly, I have been very happy with the performance of my 16c/32t 2950X which has an extensive (ambient) water-cooling system. At 4.3 GHz all core, tight-timing DDR4 @ 3466 and decent scores (per spoiler), it probably would make an immediate upgrade to 24t TR3 not really worth it. 32C (or even a later if/when 64c with the TRX80 chipset ) would be more interesting.

In any case, I want to see some real world TR3 and latest Intel HEDT tests first, and also wait out the inevitable 'agesa' updates...if launch bios issues of X570 are any indication for the TR3 launch, 'wait-and-see' is probably a good idea. That said, if there would have been X399 compatibility, I would have been much more tempted to act earlier...

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They can sell whatever they want, just don't expect me to buy it.
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