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I just saw HUBs video. AMD Zen2 TR fixes all the problems that Zen+ TR had. AMD is the clear leader in HEDT. Also very interesting gaming performance. It just shows there is still so much left for AMD to optimize Cache and IO for mainstream Zen.

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The day when AMD Zen (3 most likely) crushes intel in games, that is it.


Intel can kiss my money good bye

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The day when AMD Zen (3 most likely) crushes intel in games, that is it.


Intel can kiss my money good bye
At this point, it does not even matter. Zen2 is very good in gaming and Intel just keeps getting slower with security patches.

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fake launch, shame on AMD. those processor are not available.
prices are not real. CPUs are really more expensive than what advertised by AMD.

Shame on AMD

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No one would have dreamed AMD would not only catch-up to Intel so soon, but to surpass them in performance. Well done AMD.
Intel has been sitting on their butts for the past 2 years. IMO that was the lead that they had. Its pretty much gone now, which i am happy about. Better competition is better for consumers.



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Last I checked supply and demand dictate pricing not amd although they could kick production in the rear end to keep up with demand.
Price gougers won't like that though they want the early compulsive buyers money.

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Why bring up the i7 9900K at all?
Because it's the best performing chip for single threaded workloads on the market as of right now.


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AMD does not set store prices, they set MSRP. You will almost always pay more than MSRP with any product from any company, simply because retailers want to mark it up for better profits. In a case like this where the supply is lower than the demand, that is even more so the case. That doesn't mean AMD should raise the MSRP. If they raise the MSRP then price will not drop when the retail supply catches up with the demand.

This is the same **** Jayz2Cents said when the mining craze caused GPU shortages, and Vega was hard to get after launch, he blamed AMD for the overwhelming consumer demand, accused them of scamming people with inflated prices, and vowed to never again recommend AMD. Funny how a week later when the miners bought up all the Nvidia cards as well, he had nothing to say about it.

MSRP is the suggested base price point, supply and demand, as well as retailer overhead, shipping costs, and even the sales model (such as online vs brick and mortar storefronts) will cause variations. The only thing in that list you could blame on AMD is the supply, but they can't exactly predict the demand. If they pump out too much supply early, they risk undermining their own prices and then they look greedy for charging too much. If they don't put out enough people like you accuse them of fake launching because the demand is higher than expected. On top of that if the production was set too high, they would not only be left with backed up stock, they would also have to slow or even halt production, that can cause overflow in their own inventory and cause problems down the supply chain. They made a decision that the best option was a lower production level, and the supply will catch up to the demand soon enough. Companies need to make calls like this all the time, it's not malicious, it's being pragmatic.
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Quote: Originally Posted by John Plissken View Post
AMD does not set store prices, they set MSRP. You will almost always pay more than MSRP with any product from any company, simply because retailers want to mark it up for better profits. In a case like this where the supply is lower than the demand, that is even more so the case. That doesn't mean AMD should raise the MSRP. If they raise the MSRP then price will not drop when the retail supply catches up with the demand.

This is the same **** Jayz2Cents said when the mining craze caused GPU shortages, and Vega was hard to get after launch, he blamed AMD for the overwhelming consumer demand, accused them of scamming people with inflated prices, and vowed to never again recommend AMD. Funny how a week later when the miners bought up all the Nvidia cards as well, he had nothing to say about it.

MSRP is the suggested base price point, supply and demand, as well as retailer overhead, shipping costs, and even the sales model (such as online vs brick and mortar storefronts) will cause variations. The only thing in that list you could blame on AMD is the supply, but they can't exactly predict the demand. If they pump out too much supply early, they risk undermining their own prices and then they look greedy for charging too much. If they don't put out enough people like you accuse them of fake launching because the demand is higher than expected. On top of that if the production was set too high, they would not only be left with backed up stock, they would also have to slow or even halt production, that can cause overflow in their own inventory and cause problems down the supply chain. They made a decision that the best option was a lower production level, and the supply will catch up to the demand soon enough. Companies need to make calls like this all the time, it's not malicious, it's being pragmatic.
no it is not that way.
MSRP is the suggested retail price but it should include a margin for the shop.

if AMD sets the MSRP to $750 and sell the CPU to the shop at $749, the shop clearly must put an higher price.
if no shops have a price of $750 means that AMD is selling its CPU at that price to shops.

this is false advertisement and wrong marketing behaviour

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Because it's the best performing chip for single threaded workloads on the market as of right now.
How often does your computer run entirely on 1 core? Mine never does. Even if I am playing CoD, i'm typically also record, streaming, watching videos in between matches, browsing forums, chatting in Discord, etc. A Ryzen 3950x makes more sense for most people in real world use. Nobody builds a PC purely to play single-threaded games, and with such dedication and fixation on that single core, than even a 5fps difference would justify to sacrificing all else.
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